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« on: November 09, 2010, 02:11:52 PM »

Anyone aware of any ATC audio on this incident?
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 02:23:50 PM »

Missles don't usually communicate with ATC.  smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 03:32:25 PM »

Any info on where, who and why?
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 03:41:00 PM »

The only feed is the KLAX tower. The time frame would be about 0030Z and beyond for 11/09/10 in the archives.
But look at what shows up on the map for the 0100-0130Z segment.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 03:46:20 PM »

From Pt. Mugu?
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 04:28:09 PM »

 cool calling Mythbusters  That image is taken at 00:53 UTC, so a minute before should be the launch...
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 04:33:25 PM »

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/mystery-missile-launch-los-angeles-no-threat-national-security.html
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 04:41:16 PM »

From Brian Webb at the missile launch email list:

1. The launch of a small- or medium-sized solid fuel missile from
the Point
Mugu Sea Range, an established military test and training area
close to Los
Angeles used for live-fire tests of various types of missiles from San
Nicolas Island, surface ships, submarines, etc.

2. A jet contrail. This is a real possibility. Jet aircraft passing
through
the "contrail zone" produce vapor trails. The area off of the
California
coast is one of the busiest air traffic areas in the U.S. During
the cooler
months of the year, the contrail zone drops down in altitude and
often falls
into the same altitude range as that used by many jet aircraft.
Each year,
between October and April, I get asked if Vandenberg AFB had launched
something. These are almost always contrails. Depending on your
perspective,
a distant jet contrail can look like a climbing missile or launch
aftermath.

The video "looked" like a missile launch. However, I would need to
know if
the news helicopter camera used normal magnification or zoomed-in
to capture
the event. A telephoto view of a distant jet could look like a
missile.

The other important piece of information I would need to know is
whether a
Notice to Airmen or Notice to Mariners was in effect yesterday
afternoon. A
bit of caution here: In the past, the Coast Guard has had more or less
permanent warnings on the books about some areas possibly being
closed due
to missile firings. This is not what I would need to see. I would
want to
know if there was a unique NOTAM or Notice to Mariners issued for
that area
for yesterday.

Once I obtained a NOTAM, I would look at the header to see which
organization issued the notice (you often get a specific military
base or
unit).
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2010, 05:22:44 PM »

 huh I would call it a missile, but that cessna (I first thought a Chinook) had a clear view at his left side.... I could also see black smoke when the camera zoomed in next to the white chemtrail and above that a white heat source...

Can I steal a frame from that video or is it illegal?
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2010, 07:22:22 PM »

It probably was an aircraft contrail. Keep in mind that it was at sunset and an aircraft would glisten and look like a rocket engine at that time.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 09:43:56 PM »

It certainly looks like it could be an aircraft contrail.

Sunset in LA on November 8th was at 4:54 PST with official night time starting at 5:21 PST. From the video it appears to be after the sun has set (below the horizon). Looking at PASSUR flight data (link below) the only aircraft I could find that transitions high altitude airspace in the vicinity of the reported area is Alaska Airlines flight 225 a B737-900 at FL340 heading northwest from Mexico to SFO.

http://www4.passur.com/sna.html

Select November 8th at 17:00, Set scale at 85 miles, at 17:00 you will pick up ASA225 at the bottom of the screen about 10 miles off the coast, at 17:13 the aircraft is in the general area reported, the lighting conditions appear consistent with the time relative to sunset and official night time, the sun reflecting off the contrail appears to be consistent with the direction of flight.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 10:10:30 PM »

it was a contrail;

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

and this was the aircraft;

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX

Nothing to see here.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2010, 01:20:57 AM »

I live near Cape Canaveral. This is a rocket, not a contrail, same similarities
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2010, 07:05:40 AM »

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and this was the aircraft

Source ? The suns bearing at sunset was 250 degrees, AWE808 was heading eastbound, you would expect to see the sun reflecting off the right side of the contrail, from the video the sun is reflecting off the left side, also the helicopter reporter who filmed it said is was travelling in a westerly direction, other eye witnesses also reported that when looking west it was moving from left to right, more consistent with ASA225 which was northwestbound or maybe traffic climbing out of SAN ?

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2010, 09:59:10 AM »

I live near Cape Canaveral.
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This is a rocket, not a contrail, same similarities
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