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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2010, 10:34:50 AM »

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Source ? The suns bearing at sunset was 250 degrees, AWE808 was heading eastbound, you would expect to see the sun reflecting off the right side of the contrail, from the video the sun is reflecting off the left side, also the helicopter reporter who filmed it said is was travelling in a westerly direction, other eye witnesses also reported that when looking west it was moving from left to right, more consistent with ASA225 which was northwestbound or maybe traffic climbing out of SAN ?


http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/it_was_awe808.png
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2010, 10:54:42 AM »

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/mystery-missile-is-probably-a-jet/

But to GlobalSecurity.org director John Pike, there’s an easy explanation: “It is obviously an airplane.”
“The aircraft is flying towards the observer; the air over the Pacific is clear, so the contrail is visible all the way to the horizon. This creates the optical illusion of a rocket flying up, rather than the actual situation of an airplane flying horizontally,” Pike tells Danger Room. “The object generating the contrail is moving too slowly to be a rocket; the contrail is not expanding as the ‘rocket’ gains ‘altitude’ — which would be the case as the exhaust plume expanding into less dense high altitude air.”
MIT astronomer Jonathan McDowell tells New Scientist pretty much the same thing. Although he does note that the Navy owns a missile target and launch facility at nearby San Nicolas Island.

This wouldn’t be the first time a plane was mistaken for a missile. On New Year’s Eve, an aircraft was photographed above San Clemente, California, looking eerily missile-esque. In December, 2008, there was a similar case of mistaken identity when a plane flew near the coastal town of Carmel.

“The short explanation is that we don’t see a lot of jet contrails head-on, especially from the vantage point of a helicopter. So, it looks like a missile to everyone else,” writes Danger Room alum (and New America Foundation analyst) Jeffrey Lewis. “But it probably isn’t.”

He adds, “That would explain why no one else in L.A. saw a missile launch other than the helicopter crew — or, rather, why everyone else from every other angle saw a typical jet contrail — and why [America's missile-warning system] didn’t light up like a Christmas Tree.”

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2010, 10:56:10 AM »

The only feed is the KLAX tower. The time frame would be about 0030Z and beyond for 11/09/10 in the archives.
But look at what shows up on the map for the 0100-0130Z segment.

The image here from the Doppler radar is very common around sunset and you'll see this in many areas close to sunset when the weather is clear.  The radar image is actually reflecting off of sunlight because of the angle that the radar is scanning and the angle of the sun relative to the radar (the radar in this case is at a 0.5 degree angle).  So no dice on picking up a "missile" here as this is a common occurrence with weather radar.

My guess is an aircraft contrail.
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2010, 12:38:41 PM »

I live near Cape Canaveral.
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This is a rocket, not a contrail, same similarities
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LOL what do you mean? How can anyone argue with the phrase "same similarities"?
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 12:44:20 PM »


The image here from the Doppler radar is very common around sunset and you'll see this in many areas close to sunset when the weather is clear.  The radar image is actually reflecting off of sunlight because of the angle that the radar is scanning and the angle of the sun relative to the radar (the radar in this case is at a 0.5 degree angle).  So no dice on picking up a "missile" here as this is a common occurrence with weather radar.

Radar can't reflect of sunlight.  The intereference is due to the sun shining directly into the radar's receiver.  The radar intreprets this as a return.  Since it is continuous it is interpreted as a straight line targer.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/?n=using-radar
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2010, 07:04:16 AM »

According to the vid linked below, this was not a rocket, but US Airways flight 808 from PHNL to KPHX...

http://www.comcast.net/video/officials-say-mystery-missile-a-plane/1639995563/Comcast/1639268311/
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2010, 09:02:34 AM »

Google "doppler sun spikes" for an explanation on the affect of the sun setting with doppler radar.   Sun spikes are real.
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 06:55:51 AM »

The Pentagon etc. are saying it was NOT a missile.....but a plane with an unusual comtrail
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