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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2013, 12:44:17 AM »

You are getting 133.5 very nicely, getting all the hand-offs to ARINC 129.9 on the outbound side, have not yet heard any arrivals at check-in (which would be maximum range) yet, but there aren't any inbound right now anyway. All those guys going to RESQU and SQUAD that you hear handed off to 129.9 are outbound and leaving radar coverage. To hear them after that you go here: http://www.liveatc.net/play/kjfk_arinc.pls and after that you would listen to them on HF here: http://www.liveatc.net/play/hf_car_ct.pls  On the inbound they transition directly from HF to 133.5

If it is possible to double up on the stereo sound disks (for three or four total feeds) I'll give you a radio for a dedicated 133.5 feed, but I'm not sure with that antenna and based upon what I have heard so far that you've got quite enough signal on the weak ground stations to sacrifice another 3 dB signal loss with a three or four way splitter. Probably need an antenna upgrade or a second one in the form of a 2 or 3 element beam aimed SE. 133.5 is definitely worth the dedicated feed.

If I get Ron on 129.4 (still looking for a good time slot for that, Ron) and you on 133.5 I think I will finally be able to die a satisfied man.
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2013, 02:24:12 AM »

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133.5 is definitely worth the dedicated feed.

I second that, I'll donate funds to help out with another radio. I believe they also cross-couple 133.500 with 125.925 at certain times, so you would be able to hear all the transmissions on 125.925 as well when they have them linked up. Not sure how often they do that ? But we should be able to find out now. Thanks for providing the feed !

For your reference I attached a chart below that shows the high altitude sectors in this area.
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2013, 09:55:31 AM »

Just listening this morning around 09:30-10:00 EST and I see the radio is getting hung up on the squelch for long periods of time. The frequency it's getting stuck on must be one of the less busy ones because I have not heard anything on it when it's stopped. I'm wondering if it would make more sense to just keep the 3 ZNY frequencies on this radio and switch all the other stuff over to the other radio ?
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2013, 10:26:42 AM »

Great to have 133.5 covered in NJ guys... One freq we are missing in the mix is 128.3. It's also out of Barnegat...it's the low level sector ZNY sector that's the handoff inbound and outbound for Carib flights to and from JFK & EWR between N90 and 133.5. 133.5 is also being currently heard on the Hyannis MA feed since ZNY simulcasts 99% of the time 133.5 and 125.92. 125.92 xmits out of cape cod. They are sep sectors but are rarely split. So...we also have 133.5 covered on the ground side there. All that said, I'm glad we have another on the ground side, but would like to see 128.3 covered as well...We aren't catching the ground side of that anywhere...this feed is our only hope. You should be able to get it...if you are getting 133.5.

My suggestion...maybe find another radio...put 133.5 & 128.3 on one and 125.32. &118.97 on the other. All of these freqs get vey busy esp during bad wx and would be a lot on one scan...tough to follow. My vote would be to get 128.3 in there somewhere...

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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2013, 11:04:36 AM »

I have to agree with JetScan, I'm listening right now and your feed has been stuck on a frequency for the past 15 minutes; nothing but background noise.

I have heard 133.5 simulcasting on 125.925 many times in the past on one of the two feeds that have it, just not sure which one now.  After listening a little bit on the two feeds that have 125.925, it looks like you can just hear the aircraft on the KHYA Twr/Cape App/ZBW/ZNY feed and nothing at all on 125.925 on the ZBW/ZNY Atlantic Sectors + Military feed.

If I get Ron on 129.4 (still looking for a good time slot for that, Ron)

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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2013, 11:29:07 AM »

Hey Jim,

How's it going?

I never even thought about 128.3...but my information tells me that 128.3 comes out of Ship Bottom...do you know for sure it comes out of Barnegat?  And now that I think about it, a few times when the conditions were right I could hear the ground side of 133.5 and 128.3 from my location here on Long Island.  So that could lead you to believe that they both DO come out of the same location...
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2013, 12:23:58 PM »

I'll have to keep an eye on the scanner, and see if I can adjust the squelch a little better. I'll put 128.3 on manual for a bit and see what I pick up. Right now I have it set to hold on 128.3. I wouldn't mind adding another scanner, but the Pi only has 2 usb ports for iMics. The other laptop I was previously running the feed from has 2 free USB ports and a Mic input. I wonder if there is some way I could make that work?

I've been listening, and it sounds like I'm not picking up the ground side. The only thing I could think of to improve my reception is to replace my RG-6 with LMR-400, but I don't think it would improve my reception enough to be worth the $80 upgrade. Any thoughts? It's currently about an 80 ft run of RG-6.
I'm definitely not picking up the ground, so for now I'll lock it out and go back to the scan.
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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2013, 12:27:39 PM »

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I never even thought about 128.3...but my information tells me that 128.3 comes out of Ship Bottom...do you know for sure it comes out of Barnegat?

According to the coordinates provided by the FAA the Ship Bottem and Barngate transmitters are only located around 3 miles apart. Confirmed using Google Earth (actually 3.3 miles apart).

The RadioReference database also show ZNY 126.025 located at Barngate. I wonder if you can hear the controller on 126.025 ?

126.025 seems to be always cross-coupled with 133.525. If you could get the controller on 126.025 a 133.500-126.025 combo feed would be sweet as it would give you New York Center VHF Oceanic coverage pretty well along the whole eastern seaboard all the way down to Florida/Jacksonville Center. And would complement the adjacent HF feeds nicely.

Any chance as a short test you could add 126.025 into the mix and see if you can get that one ?

 
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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2013, 12:32:41 PM »

Ok, so no ground side on 28.3, I'll test 26.025 now. Oh, and I locked out the offending frequency it was getting hung up on for now. It was 243.000, an Emergency/Guard freq. I'll see if I can get it to work later. Anyway, I'll put on 26.025 for a bit and see what comes in.
Ok, I have 26.025 on and haven't heard anything yet.
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2013, 12:40:01 PM »

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Ok, I have 26.025 on and haven't heard anything yet.

Thanks, I'm listening now as well. Is that the only freq on there now ? I thought I heard something a minute ago but couldn't quite make it out ? I see JetBlue 1095 heading to LEXAD so should hear them shortly on the handoff.
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« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2013, 12:43:04 PM »

Yeah, right now it's held of 26.025. I also heard something, but I really couldn't tell what it was.
Actually, I have both of my feeds (BLM and ZNY) open, so I don't know where that came from. Just noticed I muted the BLM feed, so it had to come from the ZNY feed.
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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2013, 12:48:21 PM »

Ok I just heard that bizjet check on approaching LEXAD and no controller, so I guess you can't get the controllers on 126.025, thanks for checking though. Where are you located ? Your aircraft reception range is excellent. On the frequencies you can hear the ZNY controllers are you also getting them on UHF as well or is it just the VHF freqs you can hear them on ?
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2013, 12:55:05 PM »

I'm right on the Lakewood/Howell border. I have both VHF and UHF Frequencies programmed into the scanner, but I haven't been paying attention to what I'm hearing them on.
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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2013, 01:43:58 PM »

126.02 is also listed as coming out of Manteo NC...I have a feeling that's the more likely site where it's transmitting from.
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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2013, 02:05:20 PM »

I think NC might be just a little too far, which would explain why the controllers weren't coming in. Let me try 28.30 again, and see if I get the ground side this time.
I've got it holding on 28.3 for a little bit. Where is this transmitter supposed to be located?
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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2013, 02:17:09 PM »

128.3 is supposedly coming out of Ship Bottom, south of Toms River at the intersection of Barnegat Rd and Warren Grove Rd
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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2013, 02:18:03 PM »

Hello John
I believe 128.300 is a Low sector out of Ship Bottom
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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2013, 02:21:34 PM »

Doesn't sound like you're getting the ground side of 128.3  sad  oh well...
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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2013, 02:30:45 PM »

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126.02 is also listed as coming out of Manteo NC...I have a feeling that's the more likely site where it's transmitting from.

Another database, The North American Enroute Aviation Guide, lists a 126.025 transmitter located at Atlantic City as well. I'm guessing ZNY might use the northern transmitter as a secondary or backup as required ? Can anyone near Atlantic City confirm 126.025 in that location ?

Washington Center on 121.025 is also showing transmitting from Ship Bottom. I wonder if you can get that one ?
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2013, 02:33:55 PM »

I'll try 21.02 and see what I get. Doesn't sound like I'm getting ground from 21.02. Ship Bottom must be just a little too far.
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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2013, 02:39:40 PM »

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I'll try 21.02 and see what I get. Doesn't sound like I'm getting ground from 21.02. Ship Bottom must be just a little too far.

What about with the squelch right off ? I wonder if you get a weak sidetone from it ?
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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2013, 02:47:04 PM »

I've got the squelch as low as it will go right now. Aircraft are coming in fine, just no hint of the ground side. Okay, since I wasn't getting ground, I've locked out 21.02 and returned to the normal scan.
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2013, 02:54:23 PM »

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I've got the squelch as low as it will go right now. Aircraft are coming in fine, just no hint of the ground side.

Yeah I didn't hear anything from the ground side either. Thanks for checking. Interesting that you can get the controllers from Barngate on 133.500 that's maybe a few miles farther from your location. Although I'm guessing they are using a more powerful transmitter to get out long range over the ocean ?
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« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2013, 04:15:02 PM »

Someone suggested I build a tower to FAA standards so I could pick up the ground side. I have plenty of time to build it, but I'm just not sure about the money side of things. I wonder how much something like that would cost?
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2013, 05:32:23 PM »

So the FAA tower will probably never happen (unless I find some free money laying on the ground) but on a serious note, does anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to improve my reception? You can see pictures of my current setup over in the Pictures forum.
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