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mperry
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« on: February 08, 2015, 08:59:04 PM »

Will someone who know what the different alpha tags are on KMCO feed are.

 KMCO/APP (Disney/Ovido Satellite
KMCO/APP (North Satellite 
KMCO/APP (Final)
KMCO/APP (Area Helicopters AIR-TO-AIR
KMCO/APP (Arrival West)
KMCO/APP (Arrival ATIS)
KMCO Del/Gnd/Guard
KMCO Departure (East)
KMCO Departure (East/West)
KMCO Departure (West)
KMCO Tower
KMCO Tower (East)




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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2015, 09:04:31 PM »

We're not really sending alpha tags per se - I guess I don't fully understand your question.  smiley

What information are you looking for?  I run that feed.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2015, 09:09:23 PM »

Sorry I called them alpha tags, I was asking a for a decryption of each frequency, are some of them just reserved and not always used. Does all traffic arriving east use one and all West arrivals use the other?


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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2015, 10:40:38 PM »

Sorry I called them alpha tags, I was asking a for a decryption of each frequency, are some of them just reserved and not always used. Does all traffic arriving east use one and all West arrivals use the other?

No problem.  smiley  Alpha tags have a specific meaning so I was confused about what you were looking for.

You are talking about sector division...no easy answers...every ATC facility has SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures).  These SOP's dictate things like how sectors are divided up, what runway configurations are in use based on the winds, and frequencies in use at those times.  Sometimes frequencies are "combined" - and you will hear the same controller on several different frequencies, with pilots responding on only one frequency, or a couple of frequencies.

I don't know the Orlando Approach SOP since I don't fly in that airspace often...and they are usually internal procedures that pilots might not understand or know about.  I am pretty familiar with the SOP's in New York and Boston airspace, where I fly (and listen) more often than other locations.

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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2015, 10:56:47 AM »

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are some of them just reserved and not always used. Does all traffic arriving east use one and all West arrivals use the other?

I'm not the expert for MCO ops, but from what I've heard after checking some of the archives, these seem to be typical configurations used ...

Config 1

124.800 - all arrivals and departures (overnight shift)

Config 2

124.800 - all departures and arrivals
127.750 - arrivals final

Config 3

124.800 - departures and arrivals east
120.150 - departures and arrivals west
127.750 - arrivals final

Config 4

124.800 - departures east
120.150 - departures west
128.375 - arrivals east and west
127.750 - arrivals final

Config 5

124.800 - departures east
120.150 - departures west
128.375 - arrivals east
    ?       - arrivals west (?)
127.750 - arrivals final east
    ?       - arrivals final west (either 125.550 or 134.050 ?)

128.375 is a relatively new frequency and not covered by LiveATC.

The "KMCO Arrival (West)" feed is listed as scanning 125.550 and 134.050, normally this feed is usually simulcasting the final controller on 127.750. I have heard where they split off the arrivals final west onto this radio (Config 5) but I can't tell if they are using 125.550 or 134.050 (if the radio is actually scanning those frequencies) ? There is also the arrivals west in this Config but they don't seem to be using 134.050, at least on the archives I checked, so not sure what frequency is used or if they even split 128.375 ?

Anyone have any more info. ?




   
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2015, 02:50:27 PM »

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The "KMCO Arrival (West)" feed is listed as scanning 125.550 and 134.050, normally this feed is usually simulcasting the final controller on 127.750. I have heard where they split off the arrivals final west onto this radio (Config 5) but I can't tell if they are using 125.550 or 134.050 (if the radio is actually scanning those frequencies) ?

After further checking it appears that the "KMCO Arrival (West)" radio is also scanning 123.850, they were using it as west final this afternoon. What are the actual frequencies this radio is scanning ?

Config 5 (at 1430 EST this afternoon)

124.800 - departures east
120.150 - departures west
128.375 - arrivals initial east and west
127.750 - arrivals final east
123.850 - arrivals final west



 
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2015, 09:22:31 PM »

I wish I were close enough to scan MCO, I have been listin using the LIVE ATC app. I was trying to figure out what feed was best to listen to.


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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2015, 11:28:11 AM »

Does anyone know what the  DISNEY/OVIDO is for example.


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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2015, 12:17:17 PM »

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Does anyone know what the DISNEY/OVIDO is for example.

The DISNEY Sector, 119.400, basically covers the southern area of the TRACON from at and below 4500/5500 feet (varies). Works arrivals and departures into Kissimmee (ISM) and some arrivals into Orlando Executive (ORL) as well as transient aircraft at/below 4500/5500 feet.

The OVIDO Sector, 119.775, is only open when traffic is busy and handles the airspace around Orlando Executive (ORL).

When the OVIDO sector is closed this portion of airspace is controlled by the North Satellite Sector, 121.100, which basically covers the northern part of the TRACON from at and below 5500 feet. Primarily Sanford (SFB) arrivals and departures and some or all ORL arrivals and departures (varies).

If Dave is reading this.

From what I've heard it seems at times even when the OVIDO sector is closed the controller will simulcast on 119.775 and 121.100. So what ends up happening on the DISNEY/OVIDO feed is you will hear the same controller as you do on 121.100 blocking out a lot of the DISNEY 119.400 traffic. Perhaps a more logical setup might be to include the OVIDO sector with the North Satellite feed and take it off the DISNEY feed ?

Also it appears that 125.550 has been replaced by 128.375, so on the West Arrival feed it would make more sense to cover only 128.375 and 134.050. I also notice that 123.850 is also on this radio. As the controller often simulcasts on 127.750 and 123.850 when its closed it would seem to me to make more sense to put 123.850 on the 127.750 radio. As long as there was NOT a delay function set as it would screw things up most of the time. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2015, 12:33:29 PM »

I do monitor these threads.  smiley. Since I run this feed I can review the changes.  But the receivers used on this feed (which will not change) are not capable of turning delay off. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2015, 12:50:33 PM »

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But the receivers used on this feed (which will not change) are not capable of turning delay off.

That would be a problem as they seem to simulcast quite a bit even when the respective sector is closed, and as they don't use those extra sectors that often it would screw up the feeds the rest of the time. In that case probably better to leave it the way it is.

Adding 128.375 to replace 125.550 on the "KMCO Arrival (West)" feed would be good though. For the amount of time they actually use the west arrival final 123.850 (not very often) but seem to simulcast with the very busy 127.750 a lot, maybe it would be better to remove 123.850 from the radio ? You wouldn't get coverage of 123.850 the few times they open it but it would open up the busy high arrivals sectors from getting blocked by the 127.750 controller simulcasting on 123.850.

Of course the best solution would be a couple more radio's (I can donate funds). Anyway just minor points, it's a great setup with good overall coverage (except the missing and very busy 128.375).
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2015, 01:00:03 PM »

dave,

You've got 3 separate feeds ...

KMCO Departure (East)
KMCO Departure (West)
KMCO Departure (East/West)

Are these 3 feeds using 2 radios with the East/West crosswired together ? Or are you using 3 separate radios here ?
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2015, 03:20:06 PM »

What radios are you using?


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