Position and Hold soon no more?

[digger]

What are they thinking?

Here's an possibility that I think is worthy of consideration:

*Tomorrow* contract negotiations between NATCA and the FAA will have oficially reached an "impasse". In a few more days, TIPH will no longer be available for controllers to keep things moving--operations everywhere will be slowed down.

How much would you like to bet that the FAA will characterize the resulting slowdowns, and/or compromise of saftey as a "job action" by NATCA?

[nfredrich]

Cardinal rule of the aviation industry: Believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear.

[Fra]

What exacly means positon and hold?

[Jason]

What exacly means positon and hold?

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

POSITION AND HOLD- Used by ATC to inform a pilot to taxi onto the departure runway in takeoff position and hold. It is not authorization for takeoff. It is used when takeoff clearance cannot immediately be issued because of traffic or other reasons.

It's mainly used to taxi departure traffic onto the runway and clear him/her for takeoff once landing or other traffic occupying the runway has cleared the runway.  

It eliminates delays since the aircraft is already on the runway, they just need takeoff clearance.

Hope this helps,

[Fra]

I see, I'm listening to EHAM right now and they user hold short and such,so probably it's the similar thing or?

Thanks Jason.

[Jason]

I see, I'm listening to EHAM right now and they user hold short and such,so probably it's the similar thing or?

Thanks Jason.

Hi Fra,

"Hold Short" means something completely different.  An instruction to "hold short runway XX" [where XX is the 2 number runway identifier] means that the aircraft MUST hold short of the instructed runway (most of the time due other traffic).

[Fra]

So in other word he must stay on the runway untill advised otherwise?

Where can I find the Pilot/Controller glossary, Jason?

[Jason]

So in other word he must stay on the runway untill advised otherwise?

It depends what you're asking.  Are you asking about "position and hold" or "hold short"?

Where can I find the Pilot/Controller glossary, Jason?

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/PCG/index.htm