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WNFlyer
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« on: January 17, 2007, 08:12:55 PM »

I live off the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike, and while driving home many nights, I see 4-5 aircraft lined up roughly parallel to the highway on approach to PHL.  What approach is this a part of?  As a bit of a side question, I've noticed on Flight Aware, that there is an east/west track that somewhat parallels the PA Turnpike across the state...does anyone know what track this is?

Thanks in advance!
Jeff

P.S.  Thanks for everyone's help in my questions...I'm kinda new to listening to ATC and trying to follow what's going on up there and this forum has proved very helpful in learning that stuff.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007, 12:01:40 PM »

A few answers to that. Arrivals off SPUDS pretty much follow the NE Ext. You may also be seeing aircraft off BUNTS getting the delayed vector 060-070 due to saturation, then turned 100 degrees over Lansdale southbound to rejoin the downwind.


As a bit of a side question, I've noticed on Flight Aware, that there is an east/west track that somewhat parallels the PA Turnpike across the state...does anyone know what track this is?

I forgot to answer this part. That would be standard (non saturated) flow off BUNTS.

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007, 09:36:52 PM »

Thanks!  That would explain a lot.  I actually live in Lansdale and see planes turn here a lot...just never put 2 +2 together.  As an interesting side note...while flying home from PIT back in September, I pick up our location around Pottstown (can't miss the powerplant) and noticed we were flying right towards where I live.  Wouldn't you know it, we turned right over my neighborhood!  I could even see my house!  Not sure what out altitude was (I'm guessing 8,000-10,000 feet), but it was definitely a cool thing and wish I would have thought to get my camera out and take a picture.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2007, 09:49:22 PM »

Yea, as given away in my post. I also live in Lansdale. Like I mentioned, you can fly right over Lansdale off of BUNTS only during around dinner 6-8 when the delayed vectors are being given. So if you picked out Lansdale then you must have gotten that delayed vector. Any arrivals fly over us at around 7000. It varies, outta 8 for 7, 7 for 6. All SPUDS arrivals when on West Operation get a 170 heading off SPUDS and fly right over us. It's not uncommon to see Lufthana 426, Speedbird 67/69V or Air France 366 fly over.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2007, 11:52:32 PM »



I hope this worked...here is the track of that flight.  The first sharp turn to the SE was the one over my house.  The one towards NJ was near NE Philly (which I could see out to the left).  I twas cool that it was a clear sunny day with good viz.  Most of my last couple flights have been overcast or at night or both.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 01:09:08 PM »

ALL spuds arrivals do not get a 170 heading out of spuds. Thats the controllers perogative. Also delay vectors are not issued during a paticular time of the day. There are numerous factors which may cause alternate headings.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2007, 10:02:02 PM »

ALL spuds arrivals do not get a 170 heading out of spuds. Thats the controllers perogative.

I've listened for five years and every controller always give a 170 heading out of spuds on west ops.  On east ops its a 190 heading.

Also delay vectors are not issued during a paticular time of the day. There are numerous factors which may cause alternate headings.

I have seen delayed vectors around 4PM just due to random saturation in the summer (storms etc).  I'm just giving him a general time when they fly over my house (which is always on delayed vector) which is always between 6 and 8 PM.
 
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 11:19:01 AM »

Oh you must work there and deal with that volume all the time....Oh wait, no that's me. I'm the one that's there over 40 hours a week, every week vectoring, and lining them up. But YOU MUST BE THE EXPERT.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 05:21:59 PM »

Oh you must work there and deal with that volume all the time....Oh wait, no that's me. I'm the one that's there over 40 hours a week, every week vectoring, and lining them up. But YOU MUST BE THE EXPERT.

All I'm saying is that this is what I've seen and heard for five years.  I appreciate your experience here, but I'm also not quite as new as you may think I am.

I would appreciate if you toned down the replies.  This forum is about the exchange of information, and not everyone here is a controller.  All we can do, those of us who aren't doing what you do, is talk about what we see/hear.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 07:53:10 PM »

I don't care how "old" you think you are. You're still wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 08:17:36 PM »

Let's tone it down - this is a place for the exchange of information, not to butt heads.  Regardless of who is right or wrong, this isn't the tone we really want here.

Thanks,
Dave

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 11:43:24 PM »

Thanks Dave!

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Feb 1st: COA1777 PHL-IAH B738/ BTA2131 IAH-ELP E145
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