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« on: September 09, 2006, 10:10:41 AM »

I get the sense that there are a number of members or lurkers here on the board that have an interest in ATC as a career.

My question is, if you're a graduate, student, or are considering entering a CTI, (College Training Initiative), course of study, has the recent change in the work environment and pay scale caused you to have any second thoughts about a career as a controller with the FAA?
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2006, 10:22:52 AM »

I can pretty easily say that for at least me and a good amount of my friends I graduated Purdue with, yes it has definatly made me reconsider.  I'm currently away from home and on a laptop which is annoying for me to type on so I'll go more into it in a few days.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2006, 10:46:07 AM »

good question Digger... I'm sure there are quite a few lurking here.  I know alot of them post on the forums at www.atccti.com but UND also has a forum you may want to look at:

http://www.voy.com/137823/

All the people I know personally are already at the academy or their facility, so most of them are going to hang in there.  I've heard of a few who were on the waiting list for Beaver who asked to be removed after recent events.  I also heard about 2 students who just before graduation asked not to be put on the CTI list even though they met all the requirements.

It'd be great if some current or future CTIs could weigh in....


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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2006, 11:07:29 AM »

I've also reconsidered, though I decided Im gonna take a chance. Since by the time Im wrapping up everything...hopefully the pay would start to rise. Im thinking and hoping that this contract won't last anymore than 3-4 years or less. So I'm still in this for the long run. The only thing that I thought of to keep me in going towards this career is that any other career is almost foreign to me.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 11:14:17 AM »

Thanks JD. I figured I'd hear from you on this. (BTW, I'm not sure what you're wearing to work today, but I'm sure it would inspire my confidence in your controlling skills.) smiley

I've heard that some people on the hiring list have declined job offers. That's a shame, having devoted all the timeand expense into it that they already have. I wondered how these things would impact not only those who've already entered or completed the programs, but the enrollmet rates of the programs themselves.

Six months ago, if one of my kids had expressed an interest in a career as a controller, I'd have said go for it. Today, I'd recommend anything else....

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 12:08:17 PM »

I get the sense that there are a number of members or lurkers here on the board that have an interest in ATC as a career.

My question is, if you're a graduate, student, or are considering entering a CTI, (College Training Initiative), course of study, has the recent change in the work environment and pay scale caused you to have any second thoughts about a career as a controller with the FAA?

Hi Digger,

I plan on enrolling in a CTI course of study in the near future.  The recent change in the work environment and pay scales has presented some issues and second thoughts in my mind; however you do have to weigh some of the benefits.  Hopefully, as Ed previously posted, the pay, workrules, work environment and other items in the contract will be changed for the better in the near future.  NATCA is fighting strong and I support them 100% of the way.  Another point of interest is going to be the the new DOT Secretary (former Federal Highway Administrator Mary Peters was nominated last Tuesday by President Bush) and his/her perspective on the upsetting issues the FAA has knowingly created.

Unfortunately, at the moment, things don't look all that great; however the future does bring some promise to those who are already controllers, and future CTI students.  Hypothetically, if I were to get a call from the FAA tomorrow asking me to come work for them as a controller, it would take some serious thought to come to a decision.  At the current point in time, there are many other large opportunities in the aviation industry that offer better pay, schedule, workrules, and benefits, which would be quite hard to turn down to become a controller, in my views.  I will continue to support NATCA all the way and hope that Marion Blakey doesn't do any more upsetting damage to the industry and controller workforce than she already has.  I look forward to the turn-around of these issues, and a better contract for the controller workforce.

Thanks JD. I figured I'd hear from you on this. (BTW, I'm not sure what you're wearing to work today, but I'm sure it would inspire my confidence in your controlling skills.) smiley

I've heard that some people on the hiring list have declined job offers. That's a shame, having devoted all the timeand expense into it that they already have. I wondered how these things would impact not only those who've already entered or completed the programs, but the enrollmet rates of the programs themselves.

Six months ago, if one of my kids had expressed an interest in a career as a controller, I'd have said go for it. Today, I'd recommend anything else....

A friend of mine received a telephone call sometime at the end of last year asking him if he'd like to become a controller and was even offered a specific (nearby) facility.  It took some extensive thinking on his part, but he eventually turned it down.  He did invest a lot of money, hard work, and energy in hopes of becoming a controller, however there were too many overwhelming, uncertain issues at the time that made him turn down the offer.  I respect his decision, and I think I would have made the same choice.  In some cases, the FAA waits such a long time (years) to call CTI-graduates to become a controller, they have already established a family or a serious relationship which makes the decision even more difficult.

If the workrules, pay, environment, etc don't change for the better in the next few years, I will have serious second thoughts about the profession and will look towards obtaining a degree in another aspect of the aviation industry.  I hope this wont be the case, but time will tell.

Regards,
Jason

P.S. You posted a very good question, and I'm glad to see responses already.  I'm sure this will be a very long, but interesting thread of personal opinions that closely relate to the profession of which this website closely features.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 02:27:36 PM »

Too bad you can't make a living being a vatsim controller.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 09:56:11 PM »

I thought maybe I'd bump this thread to the top, rather than starting a new one.

There's been a lot of discussion on this board recently about JFK.

I heard that today, JFK was supposed to get two new CTI controllers, and they didn't show up. It was said that FAA  Human Resources had known for some time that they wouldn't be there, but JFK only learned about it today, when they failed to report for work.    rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 03:02:24 AM »

I'm really interested in reading more about this. I've recently been thinking of joining the air force reserve to become a controller, but have been debating it with myself alot. Does anyone have any opinions on controlling for the military and eventually going to work at a civilian airport?
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 09:19:39 AM »

I'm really interested in reading more about this. I've recently been thinking of joining the air force reserve to become a controller, but have been debating it with myself alot. Does anyone have any opinions on controlling for the military and eventually going to work at a civilian airport?

I'm a CTI grad myself but I work with alot of VRA-hires with military experience.  I've found that the USMC controllers stand out as the best prepared for FAA carreers.  The airforce guys do okay too, but the jarheads just seem to have a better understanding of ATC concepts.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2006, 08:17:55 PM »

After being accepted into Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach following High SChool for the Fall 2005 (Air Traffic Management) with 50% scholarship I had to turn it down, as I'm in the west coast and expenses were probably going to sky high, I"m still considering going in after I complete my Computer Science degree here in about 2-3 years. Not sure what school I'll look into but at the moment, but I still love ATC and the changes might not affect me.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2006, 04:58:24 AM »

I wanna go CMH or ZZV...

better chance of ZZV. great topic. Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2006, 11:01:41 PM »

I wanna go CMH or ZZV...

better chance of ZZV. great topic. Thanks for the info.

Actually better chance of CMH since there's no tower at Zanesville Municiple AP (ZZV).
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2006, 04:38:48 AM »

I wanna go CMH or ZZV...

better chance of ZZV. great topic. Thanks for the info.

Actually better chance of CMH since there's no tower at Zanesville Municiple AP (ZZV).

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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2006, 09:42:46 PM »

I am currently an ATC student at UND. I am in my last year and I will graduate in May of 2007. The new pay scales seem to suck but teachers at UND tell me that they wont be like that for long and they will eventually change for the better. I have decided to keep going with ATC as that is the only thing I know how to do. Hopefully when I graduate in May it wont take the FAA forever to hire me. Some of the UND grads I know had to wait a year or more before they got hired. Hopefully I will get a job in 6 months or less.
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