US Callsign Change

[MathFox]

I am currently listening to EHAM (Schiphol, Amsterdam) and just heard USA 799 check in as US Air 799... Is the callsign change restricted to America?

[tyketto]

I am currently listening to EHAM (Schiphol, Amsterdam) and just heard USA 799 check in as US Air 799... Is the callsign change restricted to America?

From my understanding, this should be worldwide.. interesting..

BL.

[MathFox]

Schiphol ATC is aware of the callsign change too... and start using Cactus, still sometimes US Air is heard. The pilot threw in a few US-Cactus 799's, nothing special.

[ridejumpfly]

You will notice Eagle flights are now using all 4 digits of flight number.  We were using the last 3 digits for a long time.

[cessna157]

ASA did the same thing a few months ago.  Comair just changed flight number ranges with DL, but callsigns still drop the first digit and add 1000 to thru flights.

[w0x0f]

It looks like this will be addressed on the ATC side.  Starting 9/19/08 the "Cactus" 3 letter ID will be AWE.  USA will no longer be used.  It's like one of those timed brain games where they show you the word BLUE and the print is red and the question is "What color is the word?"  There was a lot of room for error.  Now if we can get the pilots to play along.

Here's the official notice:

  EFFECTIVE: 09/19/2008 – TIME 0800Z

CANCELLATION: 01/15/2009

SUBJECT:  CHANGES TO FAA ORDER JO 7340.2, CONTRACTIONS, CHAPTER 3, SECTIONS 1, 2, AND 3.

THE FOLLOWING ADDITION, CANCELLATION, MODIFICATION TO THE CORPORATE

TELEPHONY AND IDENTIFIER ASSIGNMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THIS CANCELS GENOT RWA 8/20


MODIFICATIONS

COMPANY                                                                                             TELEPHONY                IDENT
FROM: US AIRWAYS (PHOENIX, AZ)                                               CACTUS                       USA
TO :  US AIRWAYS (PHOENIX, AZ)                                                    CACTUS                      AWE

[MathFox]

I certainly hope they'll inform IATA and ICAO...
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcaviation-audio-clips/us-air-andgt-cactus-changed-in-icao-database/msg29036/#msg29036

[Adrian8]

"USA" makes so much more sense as an ICAO... oh brother.

[tyketto]

"USA" makes so much more sense as an ICAO... oh brother.

In this case, I'd agree.. but to play devil's advocate, the 2nd incarnation of National Airlines didn't resurrect the NAL ICAO code that the old Sunkings used to have.. they went with ROK and Redrock.

BL.

[djmodifyd]

im glad i don't have them.....

its hard enough that CHQ and EGF are now 4 letter calls signs......ie EGF4199 instead of EGF199.

its So hard to add the 4

[cessna157]

I think CHQ has always been on a full flight number callsign.  ASA changed theirs to all 4 digits a few months ago, as well as changed their callsign about 3 years ago.

[tyketto]

I think CHQ has always been on a full flight number callsign.  ASA changed theirs to all 4 digits a few months ago, as well as changed their callsign about 3 years ago.

ASA as in Alaska Airlines (ICAO), or ASA as in Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ICAO: ASQ)?

BL.

[cessna157]

ASA as in Alaska Airlines (ICAO), or ASA as in Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ICAO: ASQ)?

BL.

Eh, touché.  I was talking ASA the airline (EV).  Previously  CAA "Candler" then ACY "Acey" then ASQ "Acey"


I always like the Candler callsigns when I worked ASA flights.  I thought it was an extremely clever callsign.

[JetScan1]

Just listening to JFK departure 135.900 (8:05 EDT - 17SEP) and a "Cactus" flight advised the controller that they will be switching back to the "US Air" callsign in 2 days. DJ

[Adrian8]

They will be switching to AWE as an ICAO code, but the callsign will remain Cactus. It would just confuse the hell out of everybody if they changed to AWE, and changed the callsign to US Air!