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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2006, 04:22:42 PM »

I didn't want to assume anything, but they didn't mention in this narrative if the flight plan was filed to AIY or ACY.  They did say that it originated in BTV.  It sounded strange to me that the pilot stated inbound to ACY.  Now Dave makes a very good point that this could be the ACY VOR which is colocated with ACY airport.  I thought possibly there was confusion with which Atlantic City airport they were intending to land.  It seems from this statement that maybe they did file to AIY "The pilot's improper decision to plan a flight to a runway of insufficient length, his improper in-flight decision to land on that inadequate runway with a tailwind, and his failure to obtain the proper touchdown point. A factor in the accident was the tailwind condition."   The controller was not mentioned.

Digger, I was unable to open the links from your previous post, so I don't know if there was further information.  As for Finleyville, we are not aware of any restrictions for aircraft inbound to that airport. 

I concur with Pygmie.  We're not responsible to know the capabilities of each aircraft.

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2006, 05:29:40 PM »

Those links were to the NTSB website, as you may have guessed. I just tried them again, and they worked fine from here.  huh

The flight plan was, in fact, to AIY.

I neglected to mention it in the previous post, but it's also interesting that the PIC's "Certificate(s)/Rating(s)" are listed as "Private; Multi-engine Land; Single-engine Land; Helicopter".  I'd have expected a Commercial rating at least.

I mentioned Finleyville because it's only 2,505 feet long. The restriction in place there against a Citation (successfully), landing is part of what's generally referred to as "the laws of physics."  smiley I guess that reinforces what you said about not being required to know the capabilities of each aircraft.

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Speaking only for Canada, controllers have no authority to prevent an aircraft from doing an approach based on what we think their aircraft is capable of.  If a jet wanted to land at some tiny airport with a 1,000 foot runway, all we can do is advise him of the runway length, and if he still wants to go in, we issue the clearance.


Yeah, and I guess if you said, "Cleared for the visual approach, and we'll call 911 for you now", you'd probably get gigged for improper phraseolgy.    smiley
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2006, 07:08:13 AM »

Please congratulate the pilot on passing exam for new rating ...

Multi/engine land/idiot....

NTSB confirms new rating with test results listed in accident file.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2006, 10:53:41 AM »

And does anyone know why the engine suddenly begin to spool up??  That's pretty scary..
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2006, 12:27:49 PM »

If I recall correctly, a discussion on another board said that the throttle handle was left set at something higher than idle, and the continuous ignition was on. In and of itself that wouldn't do anything, but then water got into the actual circuits that control the starter motor, and you see what happened.
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2006, 08:33:51 PM »

i think that we should put this on more sites evil
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2006, 09:38:33 PM »

Possible PIC confused feet with meters on runway length. Language may also play a part. undecided
Non- towered airport can be a problem if all you land at is towered airports.  huh
Also, sometimes the human mind sees what it wants and expects to see and excludes everything else.
Add fatigue and or dehydration and ...............  embarassed
Above may explain but does not in anyway exonerate.  wink
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2006, 05:02:43 PM »

I had heard that the captain never exited the craft and was trying to beach it on the shore.
Thoughts?
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2006, 08:18:11 PM »

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I had heard that the captain never exited the craft and was trying to beach it on the shore.
Thoughts?

I'd say, not a chance. The damage was already bad enough from putting the plane into the water at all. Running an engine up had only the potential to make matters worse, and no chance of helping anything.
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2006, 03:57:52 PM »

Does anybody know how to capture videos like this from the web and save them onto ur hard drive? There has to be a way?

Also DIGG, that's right YOU wouldn't think there'd be a chance that it would help, but johnny knoxville or whoever was flying this aircraft might! LOL... oh man... kids these days.

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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2006, 07:32:57 PM »

...the PIC's "Certificate(s)/Rating(s)" are listed as "Private; Multi-engine Land; Single-engine Land; Helicopter".  I'd have expected a Commercial rating at least.

Too bad his ratings didn't include Multi-engine Sea  wink
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2006, 10:00:31 AM »

Does anybody know how to capture videos like this from the web and save them onto ur hard drive? There has to be a way?

Try this plugin for FF:  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
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