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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2006, 01:09:23 PM »

Are there alot of private aircraft procedures there? Sometimes spotting those can get pretty tricky to.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2006, 03:33:49 PM »

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....Then do a search for it on airliners.net. 99% of the time it will come up and you can find out exactly what it is.


Good tip, Chris.  Another way to do it is search it through the FAA's N-number Database which will pull up the official registration information and can be more accurate than a.net at times.  Either way will get you the information, but the FAA's database is accurate.  While many a.net pictures are accurate, some are not.  It is still cool though to see a nice picture of the aircraft when you run the number through the a.net database cheesy

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If the info is bad, then they won't get in. Every photo in that database is spot on as far as info goes.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2006, 03:41:26 PM »

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If the info is bad, then they won't get in. Every photo in that database is spot on as far as info goes.


I wasn't aware of that, Ed.  Thanks for the correction. wink  Either way, it's still nice to run it through the FAA's database since not all aircraft are photographed on a.net.  Both ways will most likely get you the same information.  The amount of information though may differ from whichever method you choose.

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2006, 03:46:56 PM »

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If the info is bad, then they won't get in. Every photo in that database is spot on as far as info goes.


Either way, it's still nice to run it through the FAA's database since not all aircraft are photographed on a.net.

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I agree as for GA aircraft, it's hard to find photos of most GA aircraft on A.net. After all it is Airliners.net, not GeneralAv.net.
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2006, 03:51:46 PM »

For the most part it's spot on, although there is an option to correct info on each photo, and I've had to use that option for a few photos here in Missoula. One photo of our smokejumper base said it was in Bozeman, a city 200 miles from here. But they're right on the money most of the time.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2006, 03:52:50 PM »

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I agree as for GA aircraft, it's hard to find photos of most GA aircraft on A.net. After all it is Airliners.net, not GeneralAv.net.


..but you also have to remember, not every airliner has been photographed.  Many have, but many have not.  Both are equally good resources for the requested data.

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For the most part it's spot on, although there is an option to correct info on each photo, and I've had to use that option for a few photos here in Missoula. One photo of our smokejumper base said it was in Bozeman, a city 200 miles from here. But they're right on the money most of the time.


I agree with you, Chris.  But as you also stated, there are a few that slip through the [virtual] internet cracks.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2006, 04:35:17 PM »

Yeah. For the most part, it seems to be with older photos, pre 1990 or so.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2006, 08:00:31 AM »

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737s, these are harder. Older 737-200s have different engines, they are smaller and more attached to the wing. on 200s the cockpit windows are a bit different to. The 300/400/500 are the trickey ones. Dont let the higher the number, the bigger confuse you. The 300 is the longest, the 500 is a bit shorter, and the 400 is the shortest. they dont have wingtips, like the NG. the 6/7/8/9 73s can be difficult to. the 6/7s early modles dont have wingtips, but the latter 7s do. the 8s and 9s both have wingtips and the 9 is longer than the 8.

As for MD, DC, and Airbus, I don't know to much about, but I can tell the difference between a DC and MD from the wingspan. Airbus are just ugly and have stange winglets that go up and down. Airbuses under bellys are different to.


I think you will find some 737-800's don't have winglets. Indeed I know this as fact, as I have flown on one.

I thought the -400 was longer than the -500? and roughly the size of a -700, though with a different nose and cockpit windows and tail.

One I used to have difficulty with was 737-800 and 767-200. untill I got the idea of the tail and nose Wink

then the difficulty was 737-700 and -800. So I bought two models at the same scale of a -700 and an -800 and stuck them side by side in my bedroom and looked at them every day. It kinda sunk in after a while and now I can see the proportions quite easily. (did you know the wings of a 737-800 and -700 are the same size? the only difference is fuselage length really!)

I live in Australia and we only really have 3 (or 6 depending on how you count them) airlines.

Virgin Blue use only 737-700 and 737-800
Jetstar use 717-200 and A320
Qantas use 737-300, 737-400, 737-800, 767-300, 747-300, 747-400, A330-200, A330-300, with their Qantaslink subsiduary using 717-200, Dash8 Q300 and Q400, and in the west, I believe some BAe146's
Independant Regional Express Airlines REX (used to be part of the Ansett group, and now I think with an agreement with Virgin Blue) use Saab S340b and Merin Metro's, and possibly Twin Otters DHC6 too.

Since I'v gotten quite used to seeing these aircraft, and the King Air 300, around my international airport of choice, I can tell them apart quite readily. MD-11 too, although it's hard to mistake those, maybe except for against a DC-10 (but the 'tenner' doesn't have winglets)

the Airbusses are quite distinctive to me, the winglets of the A320, and the way it sits high on it's landing gear compared to a 737, and has a wierd nose compared to a 767.

A330 has an interesting wing-fuselage joining point. and the -300 is quite a bit longer than the -200. The nose and cockpit windows are also very unlike the boeings. seem alot more 'blended' and 'rounded'.

The landing gear of the 767 vs A330 is also quite interesting to see, particularly at landing or immediatley after takeoff.

the A340, I can't imagine confusing it with anything else. It's far larger than the 707 and DC9, and is quieter, and doesn't belch smoke Tongue

and if you confuse the A340 with a 747, well your just not trying hard enough Tongue

I would suggest

www.airliners.net

and if you get stuck on one pairing (for instance the 737 varients) well maybe buying a model or two might not go astray.
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2006, 08:44:58 PM »

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737s, these are harder. Older 737-200s have different engines, they are smaller and more attached to the wing. on 200s the cockpit windows are a bit different to. The 300/400/500 are the trickey ones. Dont let the higher the number, the bigger confuse you. The 300 is the longest, the 500 is a bit shorter, and the 400 is the shortest. they dont have wingtips, like the NG. the 6/7/8/9 73s can be difficult to. the 6/7s early modles dont have wingtips, but the latter 7s do. the 8s and 9s both have wingtips and the 9 is longer than the 8.

As for MD, DC, and Airbus, I don't know to much about, but I can tell the difference between a DC and MD from the wingspan. Airbus are just ugly and have stange winglets that go up and down. Airbuses under bellys are different to.


I think you will find some 737-800's don't have winglets. Indeed I know this as fact, as I have flown on one.

I thought the -400 was longer than the -500? and roughly the size of a -700, though with a different nose and cockpit windows and tail.

One I used to have difficulty with was 737-800 and 767-200. untill I got the idea of the tail and nose Wink

then the difficulty was 737-700 and -800. So I bought two models at the same scale of a -700 and an -800 and stuck them side by side in my bedroom and looked at them every day. It kinda sunk in after a while and now I can see the proportions quite easily. (did you know the wings of a 737-800 and -700 are the same size? the only difference is fuselage length really!)

I live in Australia and we only really have 3 (or 6 depending on how you count them) airlines.

Virgin Blue use only 737-700 and 737-800
Jetstar use 717-200 and A320
Qantas use 737-300, 737-400, 737-800, 767-300, 747-300, 747-400, A330-200, A330-300, with their Qantaslink subsiduary using 717-200, Dash8 Q300 and Q400, and in the west, I believe some BAe146's
Independant Regional Express Airlines REX (used to be part of the Ansett group, and now I think with an agreement with Virgin Blue) use Saab S340b and Merin Metro's, and possibly Twin Otters DHC6 too.

Since I'v gotten quite used to seeing these aircraft, and the King Air 300, around my international airport of choice, I can tell them apart quite readily. MD-11 too, although it's hard to mistake those, maybe except for against a DC-10 (but the 'tenner' doesn't have winglets)

the Airbusses are quite distinctive to me, the winglets of the A320, and the way it sits high on it's landing gear compared to a 737, and has a wierd nose compared to a 767.

A330 has an interesting wing-fuselage joining point. and the -300 is quite a bit longer than the -200. The nose and cockpit windows are also very unlike the boeings. seem alot more 'blended' and 'rounded'.

The landing gear of the 767 vs A330 is also quite interesting to see, particularly at landing or immediatley after takeoff.

the A340, I can't imagine confusing it with anything else. It's far larger than the 707 and DC9, and is quieter, and doesn't belch smoke Tongue

and if you confuse the A340 with a 747, well your just not trying hard enough Tongue

I would suggest

www.airliners.net

and if you get stuck on one pairing (for instance the 737 varients) well maybe buying a model or two might not go astray.


Ill check out the 400/500 deal, Im am almost positive, but I can be wrong.

I could see the 738 and the 762 getting confused, but the 767 is just longer, higher, bigger, and yes a different nose.

dont 777s service Austrialia?

Airbus are just wierd looking to me, I am not a fan. They can easily be told apart from one another to me.

Hitting up on 707s and DC-10s punk! Just kidding, I like those old aircraft. The wingtips on the A340 are different to and the 340 is kinda fat, the 70 dosnt have tips.

yes, 74s and 34s are very different.

Thanks
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2006, 08:46:32 PM »

BTW DC-10s have three engines, I think you might mean the DC-8, which is comparible to the 707.
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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2006, 09:04:20 PM »

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737s, these are harder. Older 737-200s have different engines, they are smaller and more attached to the wing. on 200s the cockpit windows are a bit different to. The 300/400/500 are the trickey ones. Dont let the higher the number, the bigger confuse you. The 300 is the longest, the 500 is a bit shorter, and the 400 is the shortest. they dont have wingtips, like the NG. the 6/7/8/9 73s can be difficult to. the 6/7s early modles dont have wingtips, but the latter 7s do. the 8s and 9s both have wingtips and the 9 is longer than the 8.

As for MD, DC, and Airbus, I don't know to much about, but I can tell the difference between a DC and MD from the wingspan. Airbus are just ugly and have stange winglets that go up and down. Airbuses under bellys are different to.


I think you will find some 737-800's don't have winglets. Indeed I know this as fact, as I have flown on one.

I thought the -400 was longer than the -500? and roughly the size of a -700, though with a different nose and cockpit windows and tail.

One I used to have difficulty with was 737-800 and 767-200. untill I got the idea of the tail and nose Wink

then the difficulty was 737-700 and -800. So I bought two models at the same scale of a -700 and an -800 and stuck them side by side in my bedroom and looked at them every day. It kinda sunk in after a while and now I can see the proportions quite easily. (did you know the wings of a 737-800 and -700 are the same size? the only difference is fuselage length really!)

I live in Australia and we only really have 3 (or 6 depending on how you count them) airlines.

Virgin Blue use only 737-700 and 737-800
Jetstar use 717-200 and A320
Qantas use 737-300, 737-400, 737-800, 767-300, 747-300, 747-400, A330-200, A330-300, with their Qantaslink subsiduary using 717-200, Dash8 Q300 and Q400, and in the west, I believe some BAe146's
Independant Regional Express Airlines REX (used to be part of the Ansett group, and now I think with an agreement with Virgin Blue) use Saab S340b and Merin Metro's, and possibly Twin Otters DHC6 too.

Since I'v gotten quite used to seeing these aircraft, and the King Air 300, around my international airport of choice, I can tell them apart quite readily. MD-11 too, although it's hard to mistake those, maybe except for against a DC-10 (but the 'tenner' doesn't have winglets)

the Airbusses are quite distinctive to me, the winglets of the A320, and the way it sits high on it's landing gear compared to a 737, and has a wierd nose compared to a 767.

A330 has an interesting wing-fuselage joining point. and the -300 is quite a bit longer than the -200. The nose and cockpit windows are also very unlike the boeings. seem alot more 'blended' and 'rounded'.

The landing gear of the 767 vs A330 is also quite interesting to see, particularly at landing or immediatley after takeoff.

the A340, I can't imagine confusing it with anything else. It's far larger than the 707 and DC9, and is quieter, and doesn't belch smoke Tongue

and if you confuse the A340 with a 747, well your just not trying hard enough Tongue

I would suggest

www.airliners.net

and if you get stuck on one pairing (for instance the 737 varients) well maybe buying a model or two might not go astray.


Ill check out the 400/500 deal, Im am almost positive, but I can be wrong.

I could see the 738 and the 762 getting confused, but the 767 is just longer, higher, bigger, and yes a different nose.

dont 777s service Austrialia?

Airbus are just wierd looking to me, I am not a fan. They can easily be told apart from one another to me.

Hitting up on 707s and DC-10s punk! Just kidding, I like those old aircraft. The wingtips on the A340 are different to and the 340 is kinda fat, the 70 dosnt have tips.

yes, 74s and 34s are very different.

Thanks


I have been meaining to add that the 400 is indeed longer than the 500. The most notable difference, is the very short distance between the engine to the nose on the 500.  As for the difference between the 400 and 300. The 300 has one overwing exit, the 400 has two. The same can be said for the 319/ 320. A319 has 1 overwing exit and A320 has two.
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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2006, 09:20:49 PM »

Thanks, yeah, I just checked up on it. I was wrong. Thanks for correcting me though.
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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2006, 09:25:26 PM »

Well, for the 737's, there are a few different generations, but as for lengths, here they are:

-100 94'0"
-200 100'2"
-300 109'7"
-400 119'7"
-500 101'9"
-600 102'6"
-700 110'4"
-800 129'6"
-900 138'2"

As for the Airbus planes, I didn't really like them either at first, but we have several a day come to MSO, so after seeing them for a while, I started to see some nice lines on them. Nice wing.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2006, 09:39:07 PM »

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Well, for the 737's, there are a few different generations, but as for lengths, here they are:

-100 94'0"
-200 100'2"
-300 109'7"
-400 119'7"
-500 101'9"
-600 102'6"
-700 110'4"
-800 129'6"
-900 138'2"

As for the Airbus planes, I didn't really like them either at first, but we have several a day come to MSO, so after seeing them for a while, I started to see some nice lines on them. Nice wing.


and you need 747 200 dimensions? Ha Ha, kidding I'll get them to you in a few days. Thanks for posting. By the way, what do you do at MSO?
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2006, 10:24:50 PM »

Little bit of everything, but officially I do the QC for the aviation fuel pumped into the airlines. On the side, I administrate our general aviation website, flymissoula.com. I'm also a pilot when I have the time. It's a fun place to work. May not seem like it would be a busy place, and very often during the winter it's not, but things really crank up in the spring and peak during the summer with 200-300 operations a day. If there is a heavy fire season, those numbers increase even more. Airports rock.
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