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« on: March 26, 2008, 10:40:54 PM »

A friend of mine has a young son (21 ish) that is uncertain about what profession he should pursue.   I suggested Air Traffic Controller.  He lives near New Berne, North Carolina.  Are there any schools in that area or where else are there schools.

Thanks all for your assistance.
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 12:58:43 AM »

heres all the ATC-CTI (collegiate training initaitive) schools:

University of Alaska Anchorage - Alaska
Mt. San Antonio College - California
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University - Florida
Miami-Dade College - Florida
Purdue University - Indiana
Minneapolis Community & Technical College - Minnesota
Daniel Webster College - New Hampshire
Vaughn College - New York
Dowling College - New York
University of North Dakota
Community College of Beaver County - Pennsylvania
Inter American University of Puerto Rico
Middle Tennessee State University
Hampton University - Virginia

Some of the best of those are North Dakota, Beaver County, Alaska, and Purdue

Personally, i am currently an ATC student at Beaver County and i love it here! 

I think it all depends on what they want to do, if they just want to get an associates degree in ATC, or if they would rather go to a 4 year program and get a bachelors degree in a different field like Aviation management, airport management, etc with an ATC minor.   

here is my email, NAplaya16@comcast.net, if you or your friends son has any questions!

-NAplaya
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 10:16:26 AM »

A friend of mine has a young son (21 ish) that is uncertain about what profession he should pursue.   I suggested Air Traffic Controller.
Does he have the capabilities and the motivation? The quickest and cheapest way into ATC is applying directly with the FAA.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2008, 01:43:23 PM »

Doesn't ERAU in Prescott, AZ also have the ATC course, or is it only in Daytona?

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 07:08:12 PM »

Im not sure bout the Prescott branch, but i do know that they have some sort of branch at Miami Intl.  i visited Miami-Dade and on the entry there is a sign that reads "Embry Riddle Aeronautical School."   I know they have one in Daytona, but whatever this branch is, its at Miami Intl Airport.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 07:41:39 PM »

I am a ATC Major at ERAU right now. The Prescott campus does not currently have an ATC program, but they are pursuing it heavily right now. I think they will have one soon.

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 10:27:13 PM »

although ERAU is probably one of the most expensive options to becoming an Air Traffic Controller, i would highly, highly, HIGHLY recommend Riddle.  One of the few schools where you can get a 4 year degree from a well known aeronautical school.  Given, FAA doesn't care, but if you wash out, or want to become faa management one day, a degree from ERAU in Air Traffic Management wouldn't hurt your chances if you know what i mean.  The classes are pretty competitive, and the instructors do well getting their students to try to be the best.  ERAU, UND, Beaver CC, and one i am drawing a blank on are the best in the business.  Riddle won't even send your name or info to the faa if you can't swing a B average.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 12:11:55 AM »

Well actually, Riddle will send your name to the FAA if you complete the program with a C average or better. But that is really beside the point. Riddle, along with UND, have state of the art simulators and the best professors. I have heard fantastic things about the Beaver County program. I guess the get you in a real tower working traffic. Not sure how their EnRoute and Tracon sims are.

My experiences at Riddle have been great. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2008, 12:36:09 AM »

You also have to consider the new CTI schools that have recently been certified. Arizona State University, for example, already has a highly established professional pilot program at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (IWA), and their Air Traffic Management program is at the same location. Also ATM students at ASU get to go at an internship at the P50 TRACON/PHX ATCT to fulfill their internship requirement.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2008, 01:08:55 AM »

UND is as voted by several ATC supervisors and managers the best school.  Im sure ERAU is not far behind.
I can personally tell you the equipment and instructors at UND are top notch and come from several different ATC backgrounds.  Plus, its half the price of attending ERAU.  Biggest downside, LOCATION.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 02:33:51 AM »

ATCWanaab,

you are correct! students at beaver graduate in 1 year, by going straight through.  (fall to fall, spring to spring, summer to summer, winter to winter, all with good break times too).  students get to go up into the tower at beaver county airport (kbvi) and work real traffic during their final 2 semesters.   im only a 2nd semester, so im counting down the days till i get up in the tower next semester.

however, the simulators at beaver are good training sims, but they are old!  their tracon sims amd enroute sims are dated back to 1990-1991, so id easily lay money down saying that UND, Riddle, and whoever else prolly has better, more modern ones.   however, beaver is supposed to be updating all their equi[ment within the next year, so hopefully, the new stuff will be 10x better!

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 11:31:42 AM »

Riddle must have changed the policy then. i graduated back in fall '04 and you had to have carred a 3.0 gpa through the ATM courses.   

it would be cool if riddle or other cti schools had a tower like beaver.  i work with several BVI students and everyone matches up just fine with the huge schools like UND and ERAU.   however, 2 of them have washed out before making it to the floor b/c they thought they were better than the rest of us b/c they had a "cto" from a real tower.    i've met so many cti's over the past 2 years and it seems to me it doesn't matter where you go, just learn what you can, and the faa will level the playing field one you get the job. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2008, 01:14:29 PM »

however, the simulators at beaver are good training sims, but they are old!  their tracon sims amd enroute sims are dated back to 1990-1991, so id easily lay money down saying that UND, Riddle, and whoever else prolly has better, more modern ones.   however, beaver is supposed to be updating all their equi[ment within the next year, so hopefully, the new stuff will be 10x better!

I'd agree with you about the Approach Control Lab at Beaver, it's old, runs on Windows 3.xx on 486 desktops.  When I was there we couldn't even find computers to use to backup the hardware.  However it does a very good jub of simulating ARTS-3a and the interface among sectors in the lab is something newer software is still trying to duplicate.

The EnRoute lab is brand new (2004) and is the exact same system Embry Riddle uses for their EnRoute lab, made by Adacel.  It sucks.  I believe the software was written by people with very little operational experience and it does a poor job of simulating DSR.  The administration there had buyer's remorse about a week after it was installed.

Last I heard Beaver was in the process of taking bids on a complete new equipment upgrade for every option in the program.  It will have a 270 degree tower sim (for those IFR days in the tower), and Enroute/approach sims which are much more realistic than what is currently being used.

Riddle must have changed the policy then. i graduated back in fall '04 and you had to have carred a 3.0 gpa through the ATM courses.  

it would be cool if riddle or other cti schools had a tower like beaver.  i work with several BVI students and everyone matches up just fine with the huge schools like UND and ERAU.   however, 2 of them have washed out before making it to the floor b/c they thought they were better than the rest of us b/c they had a "cto" from a real tower.    i've met so many cti's over the past 2 years and it seems to me it doesn't matter where you go, just learn what you can, and the faa will level the playing field one you get the job. 

I don't believe any simulator can or will ever measure up to the kind of training you get at a real VFR tower.  Basic fundamentals such as clearances and aircraft recognition are such an important part of working in the tower that students are forced to learn and retain this information, unlike just learning it for a test.  Students also get the real experience of talking over the frequency, active listening, thinking on the fly, and coordinating with an FAA approach control facility.  It's not easy, and during my time there the washout rate in the tower was 15-20%, so ideally Beaver grads have already been screened and should be less likely to wash out of FAA facilities.  Every semester however, some always seem to slip through the cracks and my guess is the ones who washed out of your facility shouldn't have made it through Beaver.

And by the way, Beaver DOES require a 3.0 in the facility rating classes to be recommended for CTI.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2008, 06:17:25 PM »

I personally go to Daniel Webster College in NH. I am not an ATC major personally but I have many friends in the program and they say that they really like it. The majority of them are getting send to Oklahoma right after graduation. The best thing to do is tour the school to see if the area meets what you want out of a college experience. But, if you are going on education and hands on learning only then I think DWC is a great choice. Here is an article with more info on the program.

http://www.dwc.edu/news/2007-2008/ATC.shtml
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2008, 06:53:06 PM »

I wish Riddle had a stricter requirement to be recommended. 3.0 or 3.2 would be better. I don't keep myself fully up to date on the names of the companies that have made our sims, but Riddle just got a new EnRoute Sim a year ago. So I don't know if it is still Adacel.

I think Riddles new EnRoute Sim is awesome. (Not that I would know how good it is.) But the 2 guys from ZDC that are working in that sim with us say they like it. (But they might just be saying that.)

What I do know is that it is that we are working Memphis Center Sector 66, which is the same sector you work at OAK. This is a huge advantage.

Are other schools using that sector in their EnRoute classes?
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