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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 09:28:44 PM »

I wish Riddle had a stricter requirement to be recommended. 3.0 or 3.2 would be better. I don't keep myself fully up to date on the names of the companies that have made our sims, but Riddle just got a new EnRoute Sim a year ago. So I don't know if it is still Adacel.

I think Riddles new EnRoute Sim is awesome. (Not that I would know how good it is.) But the 2 guys from ZDC that are working in that sim with us say they like it. (But they might just be saying that.)

What I do know is that it is that we are working Memphis Center Sector 66, which is the same sector you work at OAK. This is a huge advantage.

Are other schools using that sector in their EnRoute classes?

My understanding is that Riddle got their Adacel system in 2003.  And yes, Beaver also uses JAN-LO, Sector 66 for both non-radar and Radar Associate.

Why are there 2 guys from ZDC in yor class at Riddle?  I'm assuming they're not controllers, Remote Pilot Operators, maybe?  Take RPO opinions with a grain assault, they have the illusion of having knowledge of center ops but they have DySim experience only.
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2008, 10:31:48 PM »

All i know is that beaver needs to update their approach control lab sims.   im not familiar with their enroute sims, just because im in training for terminal.

Whats the curriculum at these other CTI schools?

Beaver's curriculum format goes like this:

*This is for Terminal ATC's*

1st semester:  16-17 Credits
English Composition 1
Social Science Elective
College Algebra or Physical Science
Flight Theory
Aeronautical Knowledge
Private Pilot (they make all their ATC's earn their Private license during this semester)

*If students already come into the program with their private license, they dont have to take Flight theory, aeronautical knowledge or the whole private pilot training, so basically, students who already have their license are admitted as 2nd semester students)   (they call it a "Quick Start")

2nd semester:  (17 credits)
English Comp 2
Social Science Elective
Advanced ATC III
Aviation Meteorology
Theory of Instrument Flight

3rd semester:  (16 credits)
Facility Rating I
Approach Control I
Logic
Social Science Elective

*During this semester, terminal students get to go into the tower and work flight data and ground only*

4th semester:  (13 credits)
Facility Rating II
Approach Control II
Introduction to Information Technology or ATC Interniship

*During this semester, students get to work local control*

For Enroute students, their curriculum is pretty much the same, except that in 3rd semester, they'll take Non-Radar Lecture and Non-Radar Lab.  And in their 4th semester, they take Radar Lecture and Radar Lab.

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2008, 12:33:20 AM »

The two guys from ZDC are former controller. They are NOT our teachers because they do not meet the state accreditation standards to be professors. But they basically teach the class. They are not "In our class". 
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2008, 03:01:24 AM »

Take it from me.

DO NOT BLOW YOUR $$$ ON A CTI EDUCATION IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO

Right now, unless you're just getting out of high school and know 100% for dam|\| sure you want to be a controller, don't bother with the CTI route.  Go to college if you want to get a degree, but keep the ATC thing to a minor at most.  There will be more public openings before too long, certainly sooner than the average CTI degree would allow.

Riddle is a joke for its expenses.  If anyone wants to go there and spend $100k there, get a REAL aviation degree with a minor in ATC.  Don't go in with all your eggs in the ATC basket, that's absolutely foolish considering the state of the FAA right now.

Remember... a check in the box from a CTI program can cost you tens of thousands of dollars, but in the FAA's eyes, it only allows you to skip 5 weeks of paid basics training at OKC, which frankly a lot of CTI students would do well to take as a refresher anyway.  With as desperate as the FAA is for people, in the forseeable future, OTS and CTI hires have nearly an equal ~100% chance of getting an interview.

~Nate

NOTE - Not dispariaging the educational qualities of CTI programs, indeed, I was ready to enter one myself.  But seriously, don't bother with the whole CTI thing if you're just looking to get hired by the FAA.  Do it for the "greater good," i.e., backup in case you can't or don't want to do ATC for 20-25+ years as a career.
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 05:28:52 PM »

Ditto, DairyCreamer..

I have 3 VRAs, 2 CTIs, 1 FSS transfer and one off the street (no experience) at my facility.  There really is no difference in "advantage" with CTIs, they have "some" experience but much has to be unlearned, you do have a majority of your meager paycheck going to pay student loans.  Do the math...

VRAs are getting compensation (Veterans Benefits) to attend OKC and complete OJT.  Best bet, if you are going to invest 3-4 years, join the AF or Navy get ACT experience and use you veterans preference.  You get paid to train in the military, and paid to train in the FAA.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 01:46:06 AM »

quick question, i was going to attend riddle in daytona as a new student for the summer a term (may). i made the choice of wanting to go there because a lot of the people i talked to said i would end up paying the same amount of money if i moved out to go to school somewhere else (i live 20mins from daytona). im also going to be a 'transfer student' dropping the amount of credits needed from 120 to just 90. even with that though, im sure i would still be paying a fortune.

ive been hearing a lot about "off the street" trainees lately and i was wondering how i can get more info on this? if it saves me the trip / money of going to school (especially riddle) then i would personally rather do this. because if everyone ends up getting the faa training at the Oklahoma  facility (whether you went to school or not) then whats the point?
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 05:18:52 AM »

wow a 100k for your education? what can i say, move to canada. $214 to write the test and if your good enough you'll get a interview, get through that and be put on a waiting list to start training, your name stays on it for 2 years. the list always grows and they only take to top from the list. everytime they run a course at one of the acc's across canda they start at the top of the list and offer spots til they are full.
if you apply for IFR control, you pay $3500 and that pays for all books and materials, you have to move to whichever city the acc's your starting at is located. you pay for all living costs and your course lasts from anywhere between 8-13 months until you go on payrol($33700 training wage) and start on the job training that lasts 6-12 months. it's 8 hours a day and your lucky to get anything more than stat days off(eg. i started 18 months ago, was off for 10 days at xmas a month into the course and since then have had one strech of 7 days off in a row. we don't take days off while training, ever.) after checking out you start at $80k-82k (just went up at the start of the month from $79k) and depending which center you work out of you get a bonus of up to a max of $18k because of traffic volume.
vfr control, you pay $3500 and they send you to school in cornwall, ON. they pay room and board, all books and materials and then move you out to where ever your getting stationed for your paid on the job. salsry? can't remember but it's between a ifr and fss. just a geuss from memory but think it starts around 50 or 60k
fss (flight service) $2500 or $3500 and same as vfr, go to ON< they pay room and board , all books and materials until the move you out for paid on the job. think it starts around 35k.
i think that sounds better than paying through the nose in the states. just a fun fact for you all, until about 4 or 5 years ago they use to send all trainies to cornwall and you paid $3500. they paid for your move there, room and board, all books and material, ship your car out there if you wanted, fly you out there and to top it off the paid all trainies $50k a year to train right from the get go.
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 09:55:12 AM »

hey skip, any links to point us to the right direction? my google skills are horrible tongue

*edit* is www.navcanada.com what you're talking about?
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 11:40:22 AM »

heres the site http://www.navcanada.ca/NavCanada.asp?Language=en&Content=ContentDefinitionFiles/default.xml
then on the right side is careers. a company called SHL is on contract for our recruitment until aug of this year and then it looks like we will do our own. if that link don't work let me know.
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 12:36:52 PM »

AirK, I encourage you to thoroughly research "off the street" possibilities for becoming a controller. I know of two people personally who are taking that route.  If you go to:

 1) http://Jobs.Faa.Gov

 2) click on "All Opportunities"

 3) Where is says "Open to" select "non-Federal employees"

 4)  Where is says "Series" select "2153"

 5) hit "Search"

A few hits come up...

The one that has "CTO" in it is for people who already have Control Tower Operating certificates.

The one that has "RMC" in it is for Retired Military Controllers.

The one that says "CTI" is for students who have graduated from a Collegiate Training Initiative school such as Riddle.

The one that says "PUBNAT2" is for the general public like you. If I am not mistaken, just apply. But you have to meet either the "Work requirements" or the "Education requirements" which you can read about if you click on that link. I'm going to venture a guess and say that you have yet to meet either of those requirements, but I could be wrong. 

VRA means "Veteran Readjustment Appointment"


All these are called "advertisements" and they are not always there. For the longest time, there was NO PUBNAT advertisement showing, meaning that "off the street" people could not even apply. This particular one is only open until May 2. Apply now because who knows how long it will be till another advertisement is posted.


By the way, I love Riddle. Sure the money sucks but the education is great (as I'm sure UND and Beaver and all those others are too).

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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 03:12:10 PM »

UND is the best school hands down. If you want to know why send me a message and I will tell you.
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2008, 12:06:15 AM »

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Hey thanks for taking the time to go through that. I went ahead and applied even though I'm enrolled at Embry Riddle. I figure I would just go ahead and do both and see what happens. Its just too bad that the close out day is close to the day that I start school.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2008, 06:34:52 PM »

Did you meet either the 3 year work requirement or the 4 year college degree requirement? Just curious because applying would be useless if you have not met either of them.
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2008, 07:12:03 PM »

Did you meet either the 3 year work requirement or the 4 year college degree requirement? Just curious because applying would be useless if you have not met either of them.

Or a combination of work experience and semester credits.
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2008, 10:46:04 PM »

I have about 70 credits from a community college I went to after high school and also been working at the same job for 4 years. The 70 credits comes out to like what, 2-3 years or something? I forget how that gets calculated
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