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« on: July 18, 2007, 03:38:39 PM »

Why are airtran flights identified as  " citrus " .  Could the word airtran get confusing or mixed-up with some other ATC terminology?
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 03:47:06 PM »

Why are airtran flights identified as  " citrus " .  Could the word airtran get confusing or mixed-up with some other ATC terminology?

ATA's telephony is "AmTran" which could easily be confused with "AirTran."  AirTran's previous telephony was "Critter" when they were still ValuJet so it never coincided with the airline name to begin with.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 04:04:51 PM »


OK, thanks, that makes sense.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 08:58:24 PM »

There are some airlines that don't use thier name as the callsign, e.g. British Airways is "Speedbird" and South African is "Springbok"
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 09:05:22 PM »

I think they also went by "Manatee" for a short time during the acquisition by Valujet.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 09:49:25 PM »

I think they also went by "Manatee" for a short time during the acquisition by Valujet.

Definitely sounds familiar, JD.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 09:52:44 PM »

Shuttle America actually just changed their callsign from Shuttlecraft to Mercury due to confusion with Mesa's callsign of Air Shuttle.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 10:08:01 PM »

Shuttle America actually just changed their callsign from Shuttlecraft to Mercury due to confusion with Mesa's callsign of Air Shuttle.

Huh, I was wondering where Mercury came from all the sudden. How did they come up with that one?
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 10:46:04 PM »

Shuttle America actually just changed their callsign from Shuttlecraft to Mercury due to confusion with Mesa's callsign of Air Shuttle.

Huh, I was wondering where Mercury came from all the sudden. How did they come up with that one?

I've wondered myself.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007, 11:05:23 PM »

Shuttlecraft (TCF) was going to be "Crossroads", but the FAA nixed it.  I've heard they were afraid of confusion with crossing restrictions.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2007, 11:22:37 PM »

I was gonna name my future airline JetOne, or Victor Airways "victor", but I guess I'll get a no from the FAA.  cheesy

How has Delta got away with keeping "Delta"?
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 02:35:57 AM »

there may also be times when the original callsign of an airline can't be used, because it could indicate that the defunct airline was back alive and well. Case in point, the 3 incarnations of National Airlines. First one used 'National', then went belly up. The name for the airline was bought by another entity, in which 'SunKing' came out (like the logo on the tail of their DC10s). Then they went belly up. Then the Rio/Harrah's, and Michael Conway bought the name, and used 'Redrock' for its callsign (the airline was based in Vegas; a scenic tourist trap called Redrock Canyon is about 15 miles NE of the airport).

So it could also depend on the history of the airline as well.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 10:08:36 AM »

At ATL (Delta's major hub) they refer to taxiways and gates as "Dixie" instead of delta.  Even at other airports you will hear Delta flights check in with ATIS information "dixie" or tell ground they park at gate "dixie 8".









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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2007, 11:26:43 AM »

At ATL (Delta's major hub) they refer to taxiways and gates as "Dixie" instead of delta.  Even at other airports you will hear Delta flights check in with ATIS information "dixie" or tell ground they park at gate "dixie 8".

I knew they did that. But, still, how does that make it any different than "crossroads"? Why won't they be nice and ask ATC to start calling crossing restrictions "transverse restrictions"? This may seem frivolous. Why is Delta so special that they can make exceptions?
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2007, 01:46:38 PM »

At ATL (Delta's major hub) they refer to taxiways and gates as "Dixie" instead of delta.  Even at other airports you will hear Delta flights check in with ATIS information "dixie" or tell ground they park at gate "dixie 8".

I knew they did that. But, still, how does that make it any different than "crossroads"? Why won't they be nice and ask ATC to start calling crossing restrictions "transverse restrictions"? This may seem frivolous. Why is Delta so special that they can make exceptions?


I don't think it has to do with any crossing restrictions or anything like that, but that they could confuse the intersection of a taxiway with the callsign of the aircraft. It would be hard to deal with Delta 8 coming out to taxi short of D16 when you have a Delta 60 taxiing inbound to gate D5 but turning into the ramp at D6.

See the confusion? Plus, I think that that only happens at their hubs. I heard them doing that at DFW on pre-LiveATC feeds when DAL had a hub there.

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