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« on: October 03, 2007, 02:11:35 PM »

Does anyone know when this feed will resume

Thanks !!
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2007, 01:39:22 PM »

I keep hoping it will as it would almost complete the LA as all that is needed is LA approach and departure.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 02:48:27 PM »

Approach and departure are next on my list.  First, though, I want to clean up KLAX tower as much as possible.  After that, i'll get some more scanners and work towards addl frequencies. 


I can already hear the southern approach and departure perfectly, but stadium sector not too well.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 03:17:33 PM »

IIRC, the guy running the LA Center feed is in Ontario, so for where he's at, he also runs Feeder for SoCal, so if the feed comes back up (I'll see what he's up to; I know the guy personally), you could have a feed from initial call from the Hector and TwentyNine Palms arrival corridor, through Empire, and all the way down to the ground for LAX, and possibly BUR/VNY and SNA/LGB.

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 10:07:33 PM »

sweet...maybe he can cover the stuff to the east and the stadium sector (what i can't get down here in hermosa)
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 10:38:28 PM »

sweet...maybe he can cover the stuff to the east and the stadium sector (what i can't get down here in hermosa)

He can't get the Stadium controllers, only pilots, IIRC. He can get (East) Feeder on 124.05 and some Center frequencies. I can't remember which ones though.

Bear in mind that -most- of the NE (CIVET5) and E (SEAVU1) arrivals go to the south side so having Downe is preferable over Stadium. Both are really busy so you only need one.

It would be awesome if we could get (East) Feeder, Downe, and South Local. Plus we already have Pacific sector over in the Coast area who does the arrivals via SLI before they go to Downe.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2007, 07:43:58 PM »

athaker - Thanks for all your work on the LAX feed (and to those that helped you out).  I've been listening all afternoon and it sounds great.  I'm hoping with the winds as strong as they are we'll get to hear some westerly ops soon. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2007, 09:58:26 PM »

Yeah same here , KLAX is my personal favorite!
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2007, 03:21:43 AM »

athaker - Thanks for all your work on the LAX feed (and to those that helped you out).  I've been listening all afternoon and it sounds great.  I'm hoping with the winds as strong as they are we'll get to hear some westerly ops soon. 

Westerly ops? That's generally the standard at LAX. If you were meaning East Ops (runways 6 and 7 in use), the winds were too strong out of the west for those. Generally East Ops happens during the Santa Ana winds, which have been fairly quiet this year..

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2007, 08:33:34 AM »

East Ops are VERY rare. It takes a lot of wind to turn the LAX boat. Basically cos its a real BIG pain in the butt for change the config. Most of the controllers don't remember how the airspace works and I they have to go to their SOPs. A lot of the time I think they just make it up. Not only that but LAX going East affects the airspace of not only the Arrivals and Departure sectors, but also Empire and Coast sectors.

To that end, they don't like to go East Ops much.
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2007, 02:33:07 PM »

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Westerly ops? That's generally the standard at LAX. If you were meaning East Ops (runways 6 and 7 in use), the winds were too strong out of the west for those. Generally East Ops happens during the Santa Ana winds, which have been fairly quiet this year..

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Thanks for the correction guys; I learned something new today.  I thought coming in over the ocean would be westerly ops.  I work about a mile from LAX and whenever they do switch, I always go to Imperial Hill to check things out; it's such a different perspective  than what we're used to seeing every.single.day.  Silly LA and it's great weather.  rolleyes


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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 02:21:14 AM »

I learned something new too olivia...

thanks for the support guys...shucks...i feel cool  smiley

all i know is that "suicide ops" after midnight is pretty cool.  i'll be honest: i dont even get to listen to my own feed a lot cuz im so busy, and growing up in NY im a true jfk fan, but i love tuning in to lax a few minutes before midnight to hear pilots whining about having to come around for the 7's.

it was especially present on the downe approach frequency when i listened on a scanner, and i'll hopefully have that feed up soon.

and santa ana wise: idk about you guys, but its been frickin windy the last coupla days.  the ocean has whitewater patches all over the place and i think i heard gusts to 29knts on final yest morning.  got woken up by a tree hitting my window today

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2007, 03:52:03 AM »

I learned something new too olivia...

thanks for the support guys...shucks...i feel cool  smiley

all i know is that "suicide ops" after midnight is pretty cool.  i'll be honest: i dont even get to listen to my own feed a lot cuz im so busy, and growing up in NY im a true jfk fan, but i love tuning in to lax a few minutes before midnight to hear pilots whining about having to come around for the 7's.


Suicide Ops is the norm there as well. Smiley Generally, this is what LAX does. At 9pm local, all LOOP departures headed back northeast over LAX are stopped, per noise abatement procedures. That means that they all join the LAXX and HOLTZ departures going around the Palos Verdes peninsula and east to Seal Beach before turning northeast. Also, all departures north towards Gorman are stopped as well. They get vectored out on runway heading before turning north. Also, for noise abatement.

Then at midnight local, unless winds are greater than 10kts in any direction, suicide ops starts. Land to the east, depart to the west. They'll land on 6L, depart 25L, still following everything they do at 9pm local. If winds are greater than 10kts, they'll land into the wind. It generally takes a wind direction of 020 or further east for them to totally flip the boat, but when they do, honestly, SCT gets out their cheat sheets for East Ops; that's how rare it is.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2007, 05:19:15 AM »

Nice work with the feed Athaker, im rarely off the LAX feed when Im home. Was interesting listening, early evening Sydney time, so getting close to midnight at LAX. Two of the Qantas departures in particular caught my attention. I only tuned into the feed as they were taxiing so I missed what happened initially, but basically they were told to back track on the one of the southside runways, then exit at the highspeed before heading to hold short of 7L/R (can't remember which) for departure. It was flights 108(LAX-SYD) and 94 (LAX-MEL), whilst this was happening all other departures were of 25L, and to add to all of this QF94 was delayed for around 15-20mins due to an ill passenger, but eventually departed without having to return to the gate.

Would love to know why it was only the 2xQF flights departed opposite to everybody else, could it have been that they needed the extra length of runway 7L? Korean Air 12 which also left around the same time and was making a Pacific crossing to, departed off 25L.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2007, 08:34:46 PM »

I have it on good authority that controllers don't like to use the word suicide when referring to midnight ops. That's from a SoCal controller anyway Smiley

Mark M,

As previously mentioned, it takes a lot of constant wind from the East for LAX to switch to East ops. So for example, the wind might be 100 at 6 but they will still be landing West. With the Qantas flights, those winds might produce a large enough tailwind component, that, due to their TOW, makes the aircraft unable to depart the 25's. In this case, they must use 7L ie the opposite of 25R which is the longer of the two south runways. Late at night this isn't too much of an issue in terms of traffic, however if its after midnight its frowned upon for noise abatement. However, operationally there is nothing that can be done. The captain has every right to refuse 25R for operational reasons. I have heard of this happening before but during the day and all the controllers can do is try to find a big enough hole to get them out off 7L.
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