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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2007, 08:47:01 PM »

"I have it on good authority that controllers don't like to use the word suicide when referring to midnight ops. That's from a SoCal controller anyway" After 911 I could understand that.
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2007, 09:08:48 PM »

Its more to do with the fact that 'suicide' sounds like they are intentionally placing lives in danger whereas this goes against everything a controller stands for.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 09:33:04 PM »

BL and David - thanks so much for the additional info about LAX's procedures; it's really appreciated. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2007, 12:20:43 AM »

David,

Thanks for the info re those two QF departures, I was sure that they always used 25R/7L for departure due to weight, as I think NZ1 and UA839 do to. But having missed the first part of the conversation with the tower wasn't sure what the situation was there. All of the info about LAX is great, certainly is my favourite feed its tops to hear all the Aussie accents arriving amongst the other traffic.

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 02:38:09 AM »

David,

Thanks for the info re those two QF departures, I was sure that they always used 25R/7L for departure due to weight, as I think NZ1 and UA839 do to. But having missed the first part of the conversation with the tower wasn't sure what the situation was there. All of the info about LAX is great, certainly is my favourite feed its tops to hear all the Aussie accents arriving amongst the other traffic.

Mark

Since I'm too lazy to google it and you guys seem to know about these flights departing to the east, around what time do they depart?  I have never in my 10 yrs in the LA area ever seen aircraft departing runways 6 or 7 (L/R)...and I think I'll add a 744 climbing at full power over the 405 freeway to the list of things to see before I die/goto med school.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 03:05:28 AM »

David,

Thanks for the info re those two QF departures, I was sure that they always used 25R/7L for departure due to weight, as I think NZ1 and UA839 do to. But having missed the first part of the conversation with the tower wasn't sure what the situation was there. All of the info about LAX is great, certainly is my favourite feed its tops to hear all the Aussie accents arriving amongst the other traffic.

Mark

Since I'm too lazy to google it and you guys seem to know about these flights departing to the east, around what time do they depart?  I have never in my 10 yrs in the LA area ever seen aircraft departing runways 6 or 7 (L/R)...and I think I'll add a 744 climbing at full power over the 405 freeway to the list of things to see before I die/goto med school.

I can't remember exactly the times, but I do know that Qantas has a window that they must meet for oceanic operations down to Sydney and Melbourne. They make it to LAX early in the morning, but their jets sit there all day and head out late at night. That also squares with the UAL flight I had to Melbourne from LAX via AKL. We left at about 10:45pm local time. ANZ had a flight at that same time going to the same place, so it's definitely late evening that the Australia/New Zealand bound flights depart.

As for the term 'suicide ops', it came about unofficially from how fighter jets would depart an air craft carrier at night. They'd go out one way into the night, and come back in the opposite way. During war time (read: World War II), this was pretty much the norm.

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 04:05:42 AM »

David,

Thanks for the info re those two QF departures, I was sure that they always used 25R/7L for departure due to weight, as I think NZ1 and UA839 do to. But having missed the first part of the conversation with the tower wasn't sure what the situation was there. All of the info about LAX is great, certainly is my favourite feed its tops to hear all the Aussie accents arriving amongst the other traffic.

Mark

Since I'm too lazy to google it and you guys seem to know about these flights departing to the east, around what time do they depart?  I have never in my 10 yrs in the LA area ever seen aircraft departing runways 6 or 7 (L/R)...and I think I'll add a 744 climbing at full power over the 405 freeway to the list of things to see before I die/goto med school.

Its actually the first time I've heard them leave, 7L, especially while everybody else is going off 25L and granted living in Sydney its only thanks to your feed that I was able to hear it ! I have flown out of LAX on NZ1, UA839 and QF108, all 25R departures. I do remember that when I arrived at LAX on the JFK-LAX sector of QF108, about 11PM PST, they QF crew were desperate to depart before midnight and managed from memory about a 45-50 minute turnaround, it was quite some effort. I know they do reverse ops during Santa Ana winds, but that didn't sound like it was the case last night.

The two late flights for QF, are 94 (LAX-MEL), 108 (LAX-SYD)
From qantas.com, LAX departures that left tonight (Sun) LAX time,

QF94 Sched. 23.40 Departed 00.23 (Not sure which runway, as I didn't hear it today)
QF108 Sched. 23.50 Departed 00.21 (Definately 25R tonight)
QF26 Sched. 21.05 Departed 21.40 (25R)
QF12 Sched. 22.30 Departed 22.37 (25R)
QF176 Sched. 23.20 Departed 23.50 (25R)

It must have been as explained by David, a wind issue for the 7L departures, it may be late but I would say that any other South Pacific departures off 7L would be a sight over the 405 freeway. They are long slow climbs when they depart Sydney, so a 14 hour return trip would be no different.

Mark
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2007, 10:22:56 PM »

Easterly ops for LAX tonight!  I walked out of work just in time to catch a UA 777 heading out over the city...too cool!

Thanks for getting the feed back up and running athaker.  grin
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