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« on: September 02, 2013, 07:07:23 PM »

Today I did switch over to the J-Pole antenna.  The reception of the 128.575 did improve a bit, as did the others.   I'm also hearing the controller switching flights to 121.325, possibly due to the storms moving through the area.  Looking at the flights scheduled from ORD-LGA, most have been delayed or cancelled.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 10:21:41 AM »

Thanks for the feed ! Busy radio with all the EWR/LGA arrivals.

I see these two are listed ....

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New York Center (Sector 72 Burni High [FL180-260]) 127.725

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New York Center (Sector 93 Swissdale Low) 123.625

Just wondering if anyone knows the status of these two sectors/frequencies ?

From what I can tell the Burni Hi sector is usually combined into the Milton High Sector (128.575). Do they ever split these sectors ? In the past I have noticed they use 127.725 in this area in the late overnight hours.

When the IPT feed was active I never heard 123.625 in use. Do they ever use this frequency ? Seems like 134.800 and 124.900 cover it all ?

FYI the latest ZNY Letter to Airman Sector/Frequency chart that I can find is attached below. Trying to locate an updated version if anyone has it ? 

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 11:22:05 AM »

123.625, 124.9, 134.8 are all used by the controller simultaneously.  For example, when an aircraft is going to SCE I hear the plane on 134.8 and the controller on 123.625 (no delay set on either frequency so I can get both sides of the traffic).

Same is true for IPT arrivals, I hear the aircraft on 124.9 and ZNY on 123.625.  When I get to Williamsport or the Montoursville area (Olive Garden or Red Lobster) I do hear ZNY on 124.9.  I usually loose the aircraft once they cross Picture Rocks and get established on the localizer.  That mountain is just too big for my little antenna to get over and drop down the other side.. grin

As for 127.725, this frequency gets paired with 128.575 around 22:00 EST each evening.  Aircraft gets assigned to 127.725 and ZNY simul braodcasts on 128.575 and 127.725.

You need a scanner that you can manually activate and deactive the "delay" feature.  Those with a built in delay, like the Uniden BC350, is not the greatest for scanning ATC.  Just my opinion.

Have a great day and enjoy the feed.

Loon
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 11:48:24 AM »

W3MAT,

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123.625, 124.9, 134.8 are all used by the controller simultaneously.

Okay thanks. I was wondering if they were transmitting on 123.625 as I never heard any aircraft get handed off to it. I also noticed using the ZNY IPT feed (when it was up) that they had the capability to cross-couple 124.900 and 134.800 but that they would only use this function occasionally. (for those not familiar - frequency Cross Coupling is a feature wherein the received voice on one radio in a pair of radios is transmitted over the other radio in that pair without operator intervention).

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You need a scanner that you can manually activate and deactive the "delay" feature.  Those with a built in delay, like the Uniden BC350, is not the greatest for scanning ATC.  Just my opinion.

Yes, agree with this. The BC350 is a good radio but I'll never use it for airband scanning for this reason.

I was listening to your feed this morning (using Flash) with no problems, but over the last hour I have not been able to get the audio to work ? No problems with other feeds.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 11:52:55 AM »

I just opened it up in flash and it's working fine.  Anyone else having issues, let me know, I'll shut it down completely and restart it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 12:05:33 PM »

Just tried it again and I see when I'm using Internet Explorer it still wont open, but I just tried it now using Google Chrome and it works fine. So it must be a problem with IE at my end. Although it's odd that I can still get other feeds to load using IE ?
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 12:52:50 PM »

The BC 780 enables you to set the delay per channel, has better ears than the 350 and can be programmed via RS-232. I think a pair of them out there with two feeds (or one in stereo) would get the job done quite nicely.
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KJFK ARINC
KHPN ATIS
(KJFK) NY DEP Liberty East
HF CAR-A  3455/5550/6577/8846/11396
HF ARINC LDOC  6640/8933
HF NY VOLMET  6604

Complaints should be addressed to: City Hall
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 03:14:43 PM »

Loon...are you now able to add to the scan 121.32? Are you hearing the ground side? Since that sector is only open about 8 hours a day...shouldn't add too much to the reception "clutter". BTW...that sector only handles JFK arrivals (and Genl Aviation Newark Satellites-TEB & MMU)

Jim
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Feed Provider:
ZBW Boston Center (RKA10)
ZBW Boston Center (ART08/UCA09)
KEWR Twr/Gnd/Cl Dl
N90-EWR (Dep/ARD/North/MUGZY)
N90-LGA (EMPYR)
N90-Liberty (S)
N90-Liberty (W)
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2013, 04:00:02 PM »

Loon...are you now able to add to the scan 121.32? Are you hearing the ground side?

Jim

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I did not add it today, but I will put it in for you tomorrow morning.  I know we used to receive it here on the scanner at work, so I will plug it in now and see what I can hear.

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2013, 04:23:20 PM »

Jim...  I am receiving both ZNY and aircraft on 121.32 on the scanner here at work, which is not on the best of antennas, so I feel relatively confident it should be good in the scanner providing the feed.


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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2013, 09:46:46 PM »

Super...thanks Loon! I look fwd to listening...esp next time the wx turns!

Jim
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Feed Provider:
ZBW Boston Center (RKA10)
ZBW Boston Center (ART08/UCA09)
KEWR Twr/Gnd/Cl Dl
N90-EWR (Dep/ARD/North/MUGZY)
N90-LGA (EMPYR)
N90-Liberty (S)
N90-Liberty (W)
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2013, 08:15:43 AM »

Good Morning All,

I added 121.325 to the scan list and I do have the delay set for this frequency, just like I do for 128.575, so not to miss both sides of the traffic.  I also added 129.4, but not sure if I will be able to receive anything on it.  We'll give it a go and see what happens.   Enjoy!

Loon
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 12:03:32 PM »

Thanks for the 129.4, Loon, but I think it will be tough without a bigger magnet. Traffic will be rare, but if you hear phone patches and discussions about sick or unruly passengers, stuck lavatories and landing gear, you'll know you're getting it. In your area it will really light up when the wx is bad east as all these pilots discuss fuel and alternates with their dispatchers. I pick them up all the time from Long Island, as far out as Buffalo and south to Baltimore, but I don't get the ground side, which is simulcast from multiple locations (including LGA just 12 miles from my antenna), so you may actually hear the ground talking to a plane way out of range. That's why I am looking for a ground station I can merge.

FWIW, I did a path analysis from your QTH at 600' MSL, and even though it is only 14 miles crow fly to that ARINC transmitter at 2100', you've got a 1400' ridge 5.5 miles to the north that is just 100' too high. If you hear it at all it with your present setup it would mean it can be brought up to useful with appropriate gear.

On the other hand North Mountain is 29 miles line of sight, and a 2 or 3 element, wide-band
yagi would not only bring that ground transmitter up to full quieting but get all those planes climbing and descending at lower altitudes to the east even better. Higher ground to your NW will always limit your coverage that way, so a beam to the NE would not affect that or overhead traffic to any degree.

I can send you the mapping if you want it.
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Feed Purveyor:
KJFK ARINC
KHPN ATIS
(KJFK) NY DEP Liberty East
HF CAR-A  3455/5550/6577/8846/11396
HF ARINC LDOC  6640/8933
HF NY VOLMET  6604

Complaints should be addressed to: City Hall
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 01:14:33 PM »

The feed is now on a 3 element Yagi facing NE,  pointed right towards North Mountain.

Any difference?

Loon
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM »

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Any difference?

From what I've heard so far it sounds better to me. The controller on 132.15 is very clear, 5/5.

Interesting that the controller on 132.15 is noticeably stronger than the controllers on the other frequencies. I believe they are all transmitting from the same North Mountain location ? Except 124.900 and 127.725 that are from the Williamsport site ?

I also see the loud hum is gone, it sounded like some sort of computer interfence ?

Very good feed ! Kinda busy with the extra frequency added. I would always be happy to donate another radio to split things up if you can accomodate it.
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