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 on: Today at 07:08:55 AM 
Started by RonR - Last post by RonR
This topic has been moved to Aviation Accidents/Incidents.

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php?topic=13200.0

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 on: May 04, 2016, 07:13:56 PM 
Started by semperflyer797 - Last post by semperflyer797
http://avherald.com/h?article=497af81c&opt=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RJQjpHSH5k

It would be interesting to hear the conversation that took place after being intercepted but I have no idea where to even begin to look for the comms.  It would also be interesting to hear what the Captain said over the PA to the passengers as to why they have to armed fighters flying very near to them.

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 on: May 04, 2016, 07:04:33 PM 
Started by 121mhz - Last post by semperflyer797
. Back-up vacuum pumps should be required equipment on all single engine A/C.

I think I'd prefer to see backup electrical instruments with the proliferation of GPS coupleable instruments.  They usually offer a battery backup system separate from the aircraft's electrical system to them as well, so it's like a double backup.  Plus this gives you two separate systems completely capable of doing the job should one malfunction.

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 on: May 04, 2016, 12:18:57 PM 
Started by 121mhz - Last post by deputy66
ATC can only do so much.  The controller can suggest alternatives but the responsibility always rests with the PIC.  With 2.5 hours fuel aboard, perhaps he could have asked if there were any VFR conditions to the west or elsewhere. In a BE 35, that's a lot of ground you can cover in 2 hours. He wasn't even close to the service ceiling of the aircraft and he could have gone higher to avoid IMC. It's a terrible tragedy, made even worse to heard the last words of a calm pilot. Back-up vacuum pumps should be required equipment on all single engine A/C.

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 on: May 04, 2016, 08:49:40 AM 
Started by 121mhz - Last post by smark220
OK after listening to the tape, the first thing that crossed my mind was the way the New York controller seemed to take exception to the fact that the pilot had declared an emergency, but was continuing on to his destination.

I didn't get that impression at all. I think he was trying to understand and confirm the pilot's intentions because I think it somewhat unusual to the controller that he would declare and proceed with the flight as normal.

I wouldn't notify the controller "partial panel," but specifically what instruments I lost.

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 on: May 04, 2016, 03:35:21 AM 
Started by 121mhz - Last post by semperflyer797
OK after listening to the tape, the first thing that crossed my mind was the way the New York controller seemed to take exception to the fact that the pilot had declared an emergency, but was continuing on to his destination.  I'm not trying to bash the controller in any way, but the pilot clearly stated he was "partial panel", and that he had lost his vacuum system but was "VFR on top" at that time.  Believing that the weather would be better at his destination than where he left or was currently, and making the decision to continue on seems perfectly legitimate to me at that point.  How many times is there an aircraft going to JFK with an emergency or that has one develop while on approach and still lands there.  Declaring the emergency should've let the controllers know, hey I'm having issues and won't or can't do certain things right now, so we need to work together to try to get to the best outcome.  The controller did do all that I can think he could've done after he gave them the weather at Hartford.  I don't know what equipment the pilot did or didn't have working, but I've done training in simulators and with safety instructors in VFR conditions simulating vacuum system failures.  Trying to fly by GPS and turn coordinator alone in the simulation is one thing, but doing it real world is a completely different animal.  Doing it in actual IMC conditions, I can only imagine how difficult it would be.  Without trying to be a backseat pilot or second guess what this pilot did based on his circumstances and weather, the only thing I can say I might have tried to do, would be to try to stay VFR as long as possible, and hope better weather would develope somewhere I could get to.  My deepest condolences to the family's of those who died. 

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 on: May 04, 2016, 12:32:54 AM 
Started by 777lrf - Last post by 777lrf
In browser option works fine, but both feeds listed LFBD and LFBU Bordeux Center cuts off and has popping noises when trying to listen through the mp3 player option.

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 on: May 04, 2016, 12:22:25 AM 
Started by 777lrf - Last post by 777lrf
As with any lost feeds, when a volunteer surfaces to help, then any previously covered area will be restored.


Too bad that was a great feed. Thank you for letting me know was not sure if it was down for maint. or gone until someone else could set up.

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 on: May 03, 2016, 08:07:44 PM 
Started by 121mhz - Last post by 121mhz
Taken from KJFK NY DEP for 1900Z and 1930Z today.

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 on: May 03, 2016, 07:01:02 PM 
Started by oktalist - Last post by bn2av8r
I live between IWA and PHX and saw this A319 fly low over my house and wondered about it's height being so close to PHX and CHD airspace.  Knowing the departure procedures from IWA I found it's flight path and altitude strange and even mentioned to my girlfriend "I wonder if they lost an engine."  Now it makes sense, thanks for posting this..

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