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 on: Today at 03:54:10 AM 
Started by speedbird8 - Last post by speedbird8
I found a small error on the auto tuning software. I had input an invalid frequency for the hour of 8 GMT. This has been resolved, and is now fine.

Sorry

Paul D

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 on: Today at 12:42:19 AM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by jportzer
Do any of you think that the long days lead to this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/

Wow, that article was hard to read - silly journalists.  Here's the real scoop for those interested, from the AAIU in Ireland:  http://www.aaiu.ie/upload/general/11139-0.pdf

 3 
 on: November 19, 2008, 11:29:18 PM 
Started by kyle172 - Last post by kyle172
Report: Co-pilot had breakdown, flight attendant helped land jetStory Highlights
In January, Air Canada co-pilot had to be forcibly removed from cockpit and sedated

Report applauds flight attendant, who stepped into the co-pilot's seat

No one was injured as Boeing 767 made emergency landing in Ireland

Report also praises pilot for clear thinking in having co-pilot removed

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DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) -- An Air Canada co-pilot having a mental breakdown had to be forcibly removed from the cockpit, restrained and sedated, and a flight attendant with flying experience helped the pilot safely make an emergency landing, an Irish investigation concluded Wednesday.


An Air Canada pilot and flight attendant are applauded in a report for their life-saving thinking under pressure.

 The report by the Irish Air Accident Investigation Unit into an incident in January applauded the decision-making of the pilot and the cockpit skills of the flight attendant, who stepped into the co-pilot's seat for the emergency diversion to Shannon Airport in western Ireland.

None of the 146 passengers or other nine crew members on board the Boeing 767 bound from Toronto to London was injured after the 58-year-old co-pilot had to be removed by attendants and sedated by two doctors on board.

The report did not identify any of the Air Canada crew by name. Nor did it specify the psychiatric diagnosis for the co-pilot, who was hospitalized for 11 days in Irish mental wards before being flown by air ambulance back to Canada.

It said the co-pilot was a licensed veteran with more than 6,500 hours' flying time, about half on board Boeing 767s, and had recently passed a medical examination.

But it said the pilot noticed immediately that his co-pilot was not in good professional shape on the day of the flight, arriving late to the cockpit after all the safety checks and paperwork had been completed. He reported that the co-pilot's behavior worsened once they were airborne.

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As the aircraft reached the middle of the Atlantic, the report said, the co-pilot began talking in a "rambling and disjointed" manner, took another nap, and then refused to buckle his seat belt or observe other safety procedures when he returned to the cockpit.

The pilot concluded that his colleague was now so "belligerent and uncooperative" that he couldn't do his job.

The report said the pilot summoned several flight attendants to remove the co-pilot from the cockpit, and one flight attendant suffered an injured wrist in the struggle. Doctors from Britain and Canada on board determined that the co-pilot was confused and disoriented.

The report did not mention how the co-pilot was restrained. Departing passengers at the time said his arms and legs had been tied up to keep him under control.

The Air Canada pilot then asked flight attendants to find out if any passenger was a qualified pilot. When none was found, one flight attendant admitted she held a current commercial pilot's license but said her license for reading cockpit instruments had expired.

"The flight attendant provided useful assistance to the commander, who remarked in a statement to the investigation that she was 'not out of place' while occupying the right-hand seat," the report said.

 4 
 on: November 19, 2008, 10:16:30 PM 
Started by anthonychibnikC172 - Last post by anthonychibnikC172
Thanks you very much. The advise i got on this forum has helped me a lot. I'm very glad i posted this. i got advise from this forum that i didn't get in training. i flew from a towered airport a bit bigger than the one this happened at, so it was not inexperience on the radio or anything like i had just never encountered a controller who got mad with me. I now understand what to do as a pilot when this happens because 1. it happened to me. 2. the advise i got on this forum. The lesson that i got from this was huge..... i learned a lot. When i have other things like this i will for sure ask about them here. I would usually say my decision making in a plane is good but in this case inexperience got the best of me. Also for anyone that was wondering this occurred at KRDG; Reading airport(Reading, Pa). The food there is good and its a nice place to go, and i did my private pilot training at KCXY, Capital City airport. (Harrisburg, Pa).
Thanks Again,
Anthony

 5 
 on: November 19, 2008, 09:04:44 PM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by Glass-Cockpit.org
Someone had his coffee!!! afro


http://www.glass-cockpit.org

 6 
 on: November 19, 2008, 08:23:05 PM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by Аэрофлот Jr.
another cyaa at KJFK . better than last one posted by me [jbu 1016 cya]   smiley

 7 
 on: November 19, 2008, 08:13:04 PM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by Аэрофлот Jr.
This controller at JFK is usually pretty cool.  There are probably 3 or 4 that you can really have fun with at JFK.

Its too bad that there aren't any feeds of ATL ramp frequencies.  There is one ramp controller (keep in mind that ramp controllers are not certified anythings, they're just your average person.  I don't want to make it sound like airline tower folks are less qualified, as I used to be one) that is awesome to work with.  He talks fast, keeps things moving constantly, keeps the flick in his head, and the pilots really like to have fun with him.  Some Cya's between him and pilots sound like minor seizures.

yes there are several in JFK =] [im posting new clip in 10 mins bout cyaa]     i see , haha 'minor seizures', i want to hear him now  grin

 8 
 on: November 19, 2008, 08:05:30 PM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by cessna157
This controller at JFK is usually pretty cool.  There are probably 3 or 4 that you can really have fun with at JFK.

Its too bad that there aren't any feeds of ATL ramp frequencies.  There is one ramp controller (keep in mind that ramp controllers are not certified anythings, they're just your average person.  I don't want to make it sound like airline tower folks are less qualified, as I used to be one) that is awesome to work with.  He talks fast, keeps things moving constantly, keeps the flick in his head, and the pilots really like to have fun with him.  Some Cya's between him and pilots sound like minor seizures.

 9 
 on: November 19, 2008, 08:04:29 PM 
Started by Аэрофлот Jr. - Last post by Аэрофлот Jr.
Do any of you think that the long days lead to this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/

wow .  i wonder how hard he works past several days before that incident .  

 10 
 on: November 19, 2008, 08:04:18 PM 
Started by Squawk 7700 - Last post by Glass-Cockpit.org
You know, I've been a cop 15 (ooops, 16) years now and the stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. We've had a couple of these instances near KDTW over the last couple of years.

I won't opine what should be done to these idiots.

Pete
WWW.Glass-cockpit.org

http://www.glass-cockpit.org/blog/

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