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 on: October 31, 2014, 07:14:21 PM 
Started by J-LucB - Last post by J-LucB
New ADS-B antenna (F5ANN active) and night view.

 on: October 31, 2014, 04:09:02 PM 
Started by wolfpackvf1 - Last post by wolfpackvf1
is pmd 42 in charge?

 on: October 31, 2014, 02:37:47 PM 
Started by phaques - Last post by swa4678
Pilot never declared an emergency.
Almost every time I see this, I have to ask... So what?

Note that a pilot doesn't have to broadcast the words "declaring an emergency" for an emergency to be declared (e.g. by the controller on behalf of the pilot). Also note that saying those three words doesn't really change your situation or what the controller can do (other than perhaps bypass a sequence line or get information ready for SAR). It doesn't make ice fall off your wings,  it doesn't make an airport sprout up near your location, etc.

Based on the information contained in his transmissions and the urgency with which I'm guessing they were made, it's rather likely that all parties were aware of how unsafe the situation had become.

 on: October 31, 2014, 01:30:09 PM 
Started by phaques - Last post by phaques
The updated NTSB report is here:


Pireps warning of light to moderate icing down to 8,000 feet were made prior to the flight.
Airmet Zulu was out for moderate icing.
No weather briefing.
Pilot never declared an emergency.

 on: October 31, 2014, 01:20:48 PM 
Started by jbadger10 - Last post by blakepilot
I don't have a problem with it so long as the message isn't overly cryptic and there isn't an overload of traffic.  If freq is busy, be clear, concise, and get out of the way.  That's typically a given.  Nothing worse than being on a very busy freq when someone takes forever to get a message across.  It can pose a safety hazard.  However, I know plenty of people, including myself, that like to banter with ATC when time and workload permit.

Also, tower controller knew where the aircraft was, and was expecting the handoff before they called.  It's not like this guy is coming screaming into a non-radar class D airport loaded up with traffic trying to be a hotshot.  By the time he got to tower, he'd been sequenced for many miles, configured for landing, and almost certainly on a stabilized approach with airport environment in sight.  Furthermore, his readback is the most critical part of the transmission, which he repeated "cleared to land 22L."

 on: October 31, 2014, 01:05:57 PM 
Started by dave - Last post by FLLflyboy
ATC at KBJC. Just received my CPC certification there smiley

 on: October 30, 2014, 07:18:22 PM 
Started by jbadger10 - Last post by kempboeing
That pilot comes in and out of JFK very often. Every time he has transmitted over frequency like this and every time the controller has understood it and gotten a kick out of it. He did it a couple weeks ago during a busy period and the controller picked up the transmission with no problem and issued him a clearance. I don't have a problem with it. The pilot has communicated the information he needed too in a creative way. Loves his job you can tell!!!

 on: October 30, 2014, 06:44:58 PM 
Started by jbadger10 - Last post by hayek
Reminds me of this cool guy:

 on: October 30, 2014, 06:02:55 PM 
Started by jbadger10 - Last post by oregonal
I think his non-standard communications and attempt to become one of the JFK or Boston ATC personalities has no place and his company should reprimand him and send him for some human factors training or something.  Not something we should admire.

 on: October 30, 2014, 03:28:35 PM 
Started by jbadger10 - Last post by svoynick
Edited clip attached (~ 30 sec)

I suppose this is kinda like a football coach going for it on 4th down and 5, down by 3, with 7 minutes left in the game.  If you make it and everything turns out OK, you look clever.  If something goes wrong, you look like an idiot.

Clearly in this case the outcome was that - in spite of the pilot making every effort to obscure the content of his transmission - the controller understood who he was and what he was saying.   The frequency was not super-congested, and it didn't sound like the controller workload was very high (from the radio traffic, anyway...)

Having said that, while I love hearing when a controller and a pilot can share a laugh, I'm not a fan of non-standard phraseology - especially when every part of one's transmission consists of it.  Excusing it by saying, "it wasn't very busy, and she ended up understanding what he meant" just seems to me a little like saying "hey, this approach is like the last hundred, we can afford a little complacency, right?"

And while I haven't yet commented on the specific content of his transmission, as far as judging "how cool he sounds", I have to point out that "Double-3 Double-6 Flagship" has the same number of syllables as "Flagship Thirty-Three Sixty-Six", which was how the other voice from the cockpit ID'd as he confirmed their taxi instructions after landing, later in the archive.   And "Watch out for the turb."   Really?  That just sounds like trying a little too hard.

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